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Rob Sherratt · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 4590

Please read to the end before you vote.

New features and facilities on the Korg OS for the Pa800 and Pa2x cost money to develop. At the moment the user community has little influence with Korg on new developments. I would like to suggest that any users interested to take an active role in specifying new requirements, contribute on a subscription basis, say 100 Euros per year, to a "user requirements" group on this forum. To start the ball rolling there is an initial sum of money amounting to about 3,000 Euros that has been offered (I may be able to give more information about this in a later post).

My view is that 100 Euros per year would be a good investment compared with the initial cost of the keyboard, to ensure that its facilities stay at the leading edge of the market. It will also strengthen the ties between the user community and Korg Italy. If 100 people join the requirements group, then with funding of 10,000 Euros per year, a lot can be done to provide exactly the new features that you want on your keyboard.

I've already written to Korg to ask whether such a proposal would be of interest to them, and I will of course report back on whether anything like this would be possible. If this idea is unacceptable to Korg then of course I can do nothing about it. But they are very nice people and I'm hopeful.

Anyway, at the moment I am just asking for members of the forum to "vote" in an anonymous way by pressing the appropriate "Yes" or "No" button above, whether you would like to join the requirements group on the basis of a subscription of 100 Euros per year. This will not commit you in any way and there is no way I can trace who voted "yes" and who voted "no".

All new requirements from the group would be prioritized in a democratic manner by group members, and the top requirements would be submitted to Korg Italy for cost estimates to be given. If the group agree the costs then funds from the group would be used to pay for the development.

garabed02 · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject:

HI Rob

Its a very good idea. But is that mean, if we participate and if we ask a new feature, they will make it... Because if there is a lot of person participating,everyone want something and it will be very hard and will take a lot of time for them.(because like you know, I think a lot of person will be interesed, me first, but there is everytime something we will want)

Excuse me if I dont understand all.

Regards
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BasariStudios · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject:

No! Thats wrong! First let them fix what they promise us for the money they
STOLE from us, giving them more money means more headache back.
For a 2500$ and 3500$ machine i think we paid a lil more then enough.
They cant fix the CRAP that exist now nevermind putting more BS on the synth.
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shay2165 · Joined: 27 Feb 2008 Posts: 36

you simply right nedim. i still waiting for the pa800 os that fix my big freezing problem.

Rob Sherratt · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 4590

robkeith · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: It would depend???

Hi Rob,

if this is for features over above and beyond what Korg would facilitate as way of normal updates and upgrades, then $100 euro to join would be great idea. I can understand the other members expressing thier negativness towards this proposal now, as there still seem to be some problems with the PA2X pro and PA800 as we speak. Could you please read my last message PA2x Pro Freezing etc. Please could you eleborate on what likely outcomes or requests to Korg we might make, so as to give the other members an idea of the over and beyond requests, that could make this keyboard sensational for years to come

Thanks
Rob Keith
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shay2165 · Joined: 27 Feb 2008 Posts: 36

dear rob.

you need to understand that pa800 bugs caused to users discomfort..

take me for example : i sold my roland g-70 and buy the pa800 and i love this kb but it's not worthless the freezing problems that you on stage.
it's my job.

BasariStudios · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject:

Rob, i would copy it here but its in Serbian, if you want i can link you there.
I cannot really make hard statements on the PA2X but the things said are
facts from very good coleagues of mine and really experienced people in
sound and style designing, the bigest issue with the new OS now is distorted
sounds on most of the samples and there is a lot of other stuff.
As for PA800 i dont even wanna start, all of us went thru it and not even the
creator of PA800 can tell me stuff about the synth now, it still in its baby steps.
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Rob Sherratt · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 4590

Of course the user community would not pay for "bug fixes" that would be expected as matter of course.

I know how distressing it has been for both Pa2x and Pa800 users to have the "freezing" problems and it must be frustrating to Pa800 owners that the new OS that fixes most of these problems was released for the Pa2x first. I was told by Korg that the Pa800 new OS release is due very soon.

My proposal is for things that are not defects but are enhancements that will make life for the user community much easier.

Example 1: Korg have told me that they could produce an API (Application Programmer Interface) library for manipulating all files within a .SET folder. The availability of such an API would make the development that MickB is doing much easier (ie to create custom libraries of user sounds and user styles, automatically repositioning the sample ID's so there are no conflicts, solving incompatibility problems between .SEt files from different Pa keyboards and different OS releases). But who will pay for it, where is the commercial gain for Korg?

Example 2: The Guitar Mode implementation can not record and play back the original "guitar mode" event information from external sequencers because at the moment there is no facility to set a MIDI In or MIDI Out channel to "guitar mode". Korg could easily provide this facility. But who will pay for it, where is the commercial gain for Korg in enabling ease of use with external sequencer products?

Example 3: The Lyrics facilities could be enhanced to allow non-english character sets and different fonts, maybe also allowing users to edit lyrics associated with MP3 recordings and SMF files (which can not be done on the Pa keyboards at the moment)

I don't mean to imply that these are the top requirements for enhancements, the prioritisation would be decided by democratic vote from subscribers to the requirements forum, if indeed people want one.

If you don't think there is merit in my suggestion, then what alternative proposals do you have that would enable the user community to establish a closer relationship with Korg that is to the benefit of all users?

PA800dude · Junior Member Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 78

Dear Rob

Yes, I would pay for things you listed as Example 1, 2, 3 if the price is reasonable like the one you posted. For bug fixes, in the OS, I would not pay for; since it is an ethical responsibility of the company, when selling software or product using software, to sell the software in a "stable state".

I have a question. If we each, who ever needs the following, paid additional money (200 Euro, 400 Euro), would KORG be able to expand the size of the sampler for Korg PA800, maybe one that is used through USB (i dont know much about this so I do not know if it is possible)??? Hardware option that you just plugin into the USB port and you get additional 128MB or whatever. I would rather pay 500 Euro for something like this than pay 3000 for a new arranger which also might not have what I need. I know there are other solutions like a sampler from a third company, but I want something that you just plugin in with PA800 and it is 100% compatible and do not have to setup anyhing it works right away.

Sharp · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:48 am Post subject:

Can't see this ever happening guys.

I would imagine that the development of a new feature would require different resources within KORG, and realistically10K won't go far in paying the wages of a few people.

Regards.
Sharp.

greenkidd · Joined: 10 May 2007 Posts: 47

I'm all for new features but feel they are dragging a bit regardless if they are paid or not. v1.51 was released last August and we haven't seen any new features in 9 months? The new PA800 version will be just bug fixes? In 9 months? It's kind of difficult to get excited about paying for future enhancements. I would pay for a true chord sequencer however.

Brian

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Rob Sherratt · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 4590

Here is a recent post from MickB who started the development of a Sound and Style management utility to allow users to merge sounds and styles from many sources and handle the remapping relationship between style elements referencing user sounds that need to be relocated.