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[Synthoid]

Just got an M3, and was curious about the various expansions.

Is the EXB-Radias a must-have? I know it's not MOSS, but it's got much more polyphony and interesting features. (I play a lot of synthy trance & electronica stuff btw).
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M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion

[Synthoid]

Wow.....nobody?
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M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion

[Trinity2112]

If you have an extra $300 cluttering up your wallet then, yes, it's a must have. I ordered one with my M3 and really enjoy it, especially in Combi mode. I've also used it in almost all my sequences. You get a decent bang for the buck. I actually prefer it to insanely expense Triton MOSS board...which is rather lame when compared to a full blown Z1.
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Current Korg Lineup: Kronos 61, Oasys 76 · M3-61/RADIAS · Trinity Plus/HDR · 01/WFD · 01R/W · X3R · M3R · Wavestation EX · Wavestation SR · Triton Rack/MOSS · Z1EX · TR-Rack · Karma · D3200 · iM1 · iWavestation · iMono/Poly
Other Synths: Berhinger Deepmind 12 · iProphet · Moog Model D
Dearly departed: X3

[Synthoid]

[sabol]

[Trinity2112]

[LivePsy]

[EJ2]

Hi Synthoid,
Sorry I missed this. EXB RADIAS for the M3 is an excellent addition. I won't say it's better than MOSS, but employed within the M3's KARMA 2, realtime control surface and vocoding functions, it's awesome and a hell of a lot cheaper than EXB MOSS or Z1.
I'm still tweaking a RADIAS charged combi for the M3 that I will share with KLF and KF members when it's ready.
Cheers,
Eric
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Cheers,
Jim (aka EJ2) Karma-Lab Associate Combi Developer

CATALYST v 2 Blast of Inspiration for KRONOS & OASYS: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst2.html
CATALYST v 1 Combi Explosion for KRONOS, OASYS, M3, & K-M50: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst1.html
CHEMISTRY 3, a Groove Injection for Your Karma: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/chem3.html
SoundCloud MP3 Demoshttps://soundcloud.com/ej2-sc

[Sharp]

[rfoshaug]

A couple of other interesting points for comparing EXB-MOSS with EXB-RADIAS... While the MOSS had several types of synthesis (which was very very nice), the RADIAS has a lot of advantages over MOSS, especially in the way it is integrated with the synth:


- On the MOSS, you had to assign the number of voices that should be used by each MOSS timbre when in sequencer or combi mode. The Radias does this dynamically, so you only have to enable Radias on up to 4 timbres.

- On MOSS, you had to select one of the MOSS timbres in sequencer or combi mode which would decide the effects settings for all MOSS timbres. In other words, every sound from the MOSS card went through the same sound bus into the Triton's effects system, and it was impossible to have one MOSS timbre with delay and another with overdrive, for example. On the M3, each RADIAS timbre can be routed individually through the effects just like any other timbre.

- On MOSS, there was program bank F. This was the only bank in the synth capable of storing MOSS programs. On the M3, bank I-F is still hardwired for RADIAS sounds and I-A - I-E are hardwired for EDS sounds (and I-G is the GM bank as usual). But each user bank (U-A - U-G) can be assigned to either EDS sounds or RADIAS sounds. I have assigned my U-F and U-G banks to RADIAS, so that I can create my own sounds without having to overwrite the presets if I don't want to. This is very nice.

- 24 voice polyphony compared to 6. Now you can actually play chords even if you have a little bit of release time on the envelopes.

But I do miss some of the more exotic oscillator models of the MOSS card, the ability for both OSC1 and OSC2 to be synched to the other, the ability to select "fingered" portamento so that you have to play legato for it to glide between notes etc (however this is now possible on the standalone RADIAS with some clever use of version 2.0 features and EG3 controlling portamento time). So there are functions from the MOSS board that can't be emulated on the RADIAS board, just as there are functions from RADIAS that can't be done on MOSS.

[r12]

if korg release a combo exb radias/moss, I sell my exb radias and buy it even if it's more than 500 $

but I don't think so...
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YAMAHA W5 + TRITON proX (exb MOSS / exb PCM01 / exb PCM05 / exb SCSI / 64Mo) + M3-73 No.000187 v2.0 (exb Radias v2.0 / exb M256) + DOEPFER LMK2+
AKAI DPS16 + MINDPRINT Envoice + ART Dual MP + RODE NT1000
BEHRINGER DDX3216 + 4 MACKIE SRM350 + 2 MACKIE SWA1501 (+ PEAVEY KB300 )
...

[Synthoid]

[kimu]

i think if you link synth sound and want a real (limited) VA on the M3 then you ahve to get the EXB-RADIAS, if you are not interesting in increasing the (real) synth (and not rompler) capabilities than save your money.

what i can say is that synth sound from RADIAS are better then many sounds in normal M3 prog and combi and also modulation and synthesys capabilities are much more similar to what you could find on a VA.

with respect to MOSS (i got it on Trinity), well, i prefer MOSS sound...

[EJ2]

I won't say that EXB RADIAS sounds are better than the M3's internal programs; just different.

Hi rfoshaug,
Just so others don't misunderstand, you still may have to allocate your RADIAS voices, if you want to intetgrate them within a combi. RADIAS programs default to the first 4 timbres in an M3 combi. So, if you want to insert a RADIAS program elsewhere (eg. timbres 7, 9, 13 etc.), then you have to allocate them accordingly. This is done from the P2 EQ/Option page.

Cheers,
Eric
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Cheers,
Jim (aka EJ2) Karma-Lab Associate Combi Developer

CATALYST v 2 Blast of Inspiration for KRONOS & OASYS: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst2.html
CATALYST v 1 Combi Explosion for KRONOS, OASYS, M3, & K-M50: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst1.html
CHEMISTRY 3, a Groove Injection for Your Karma: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/chem3.html
SoundCloud MP3 Demoshttps://soundcloud.com/ej2-sc

[GregC]