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paul_courville Full Member
Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 189 Location: Tijuana, Mexico (Party Town USA!)
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:41 am Post subject: Techniques for transitioning between unlike patterns |
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I often need to string several patterns/songs together in order to cover a 30min or 1hr set.
My patterns are frequently different BPM and sonically they may be radically different from one another.
Does anyone have some "sure fire" tricks to accomplish this?
The psytrance pro's integrate their stuff so seamlessly.
What's the key to achieving this?
Must EVERYTHING have the same bass drum locked to a single BPM and then contort and mangle the rest?
I'm sure there must be others out there with this same question. |
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bcallison
Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 7
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:40 am Post subject: |
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I'm by no means an expert in playing electronic music live... but I would fill the transition with a voice sample or other sound effect, perhaps keeping some drums but cutting them into very brief pulses and then letting it to right into the next beat. |
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itch.
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 34 Location: england
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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record your tunes and mix them?
if you have a laptop what about writing your tunes to mp3 adn using a program like traktor wiht one of these (vestax vci-100) to control it
or burn them to cd. name a club that doesnt have a set of cd decks in it! |
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Ruso Platinum Member
Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 984 Location: Sammamish, WA
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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The idea is to have plural sequencers... if you only jam on you EMX u need something else to help transition..... like for example you ableton where you create something that logically would fit between songs kinda like an interlude so you can let go of one pattern and bring in a totally different one without the sound changing COMPLETELY.... that's part of the reason why emx and esx are nice... buut... i'd recommend learning ableton.. I'll tell you I do miss the EMX for it's bassline possibilities... it's a monster for that. I'd just sequence that from within ableton...
but I don't need to tell you that any more, it's juts a matter of time before you can learn anything.... to be honest in your particular position I'd not play at that gig because it puts too much stress on you in a sence that all you're doing is preparing for that instead of learning the machine...
I'd send you some patterns to show some cool s**t on it but there are two problems, one is I can't make notes like I do in ableton... (speaking of which did you read my sample tutorial I sent ya?)... and it'd be very hard for you to figure out what I'm doing because there's no display that shows you all the parameters.... on top of that you wouldn't be able to put them together with your patterns... |
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paul_courville Full Member
Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 189 Location: Tijuana, Mexico (Party Town USA!)
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:57 am Post subject: |
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itch. wrote: | record your tunes and mix them?
if you have a laptop what about writing your tunes to mp3 adn using a program like traktor wiht one of these (vestax vci-100) to control it
or burn them to cd. name a club that doesnt have a set of cd decks in it! |
Hey Itch.,
Cyberdude here.
The pics look way cool, but I don't wanna be a DJ.
I wanna be a real musician that plays a real instrument, like the Korg RK-100.
I need the feel of the instrument, to move around on stage and interact with the people.
No disrepect intended just different means of self-express.
Cyberdude
"Semper Psy" _________________ "Secret to Electribes: push all the buttons, turn all the knobs, record what sounds good!" |
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itch.
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 34 Location: england
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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paul_courville wrote: | itch. wrote: | record your tunes and mix them?
if you have a laptop what about writing your tunes to mp3 adn using a program like traktor wiht one of these (vestax vci-100) to control it
or burn them to cd. name a club that doesnt have a set of cd decks in it! |
Hey Itch.,
Cyberdude here.
The pics look way cool, but I don't wanna be a DJ.
I wanna be a real musician that plays a real instrument, like the Korg RK-100.
I need the feel of the instrument, to move around on stage and interact with the people.
No disrepect intended just different means of self-express.
Cyberdude
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fair do's then. well, like some one else said, just get some big long wooshy atmospheric (ie. no beats/tempo) samples you can fire off as and when you need inbetweem tunes
and remeber, nearly every psytrance tune has some "cool" drug related sample from a film in it.
some bullshit like "a kazillion years ago the universe was created from a single drop of salvia mescaline LSD"
lol. |
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Ruso Platinum Member
Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 984 Location: Sammamish, WA
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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paul I'd give you bunches more respect if you played goa psy trance instead of regular psy trance....
also to drug related sample in every song...
also to djing.... this is an electribe forum, we're talking about performing live with electribes, why would we ever want to record the songs and mix them when the whole idea is to play our own music...
but anyways like I said paul, it's not really that you're transitioning between unlike patterns on only one electribe... it's really that you go from pattern to pattern, and unless you have one part that will extend from one pattern to the next, and you have "transitional" patterns, you'll need another sequencer....
don't worry about this yet, learn your toys, learn ableton, learn your synths, see what you can do and how you can connect them together, what works best for you....
I still can't decide weather I want to keep my electribes or sell em and get a nice audio interface and a hardware 8 track mixer... but I'm just not sure I'm still trying new things to see what works best... |
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itch.
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 34 Location: england
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Ruso wrote: | paul I'd give you bunches more respect if you played goa psy trance instead of regular psy trance....
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argh! iv just been ahving a mssive debate on another forum about annaly pidgeon holing every sub-genre of music! to me, there is good psytrance and bad psytrance. but yeah "isrealy pop music/infected mushroom/skazi/ bouncy bouncy/generic/release a new track every week/psytance" does fall into the bad catagory.
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also to drug related sample in every song...
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ha ha, i ws only joking, but you know its true
Ruso wrote: |
also to djing.... this is an electribe forum, we're talking about performing live with electribes, why would we ever want to record the songs and mix them when the whole idea is to play our own music...
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yeah, fair do's, stupid comment really! |
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