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[karmathanever]

Hi guys

This perhaps should be in a different section (might move it) but as there has been a lot of discussion about cross-platform third party "Sound" products for sale recently here in this PA5x section, I was wondering (purely out of interest) what the copyright restrictions are when the intention is to make money....

For example, here is what Yamaha say:-

Yamaha's Proprietary Rights Notice
Owners of Yamaha musical instruments may use Yamaha’s preprogrammed sounds (STYLES, VOICES, PERFORMANCES, PATTERNS, ARPEGGIOS, SAMPLE DATA or YAMAHA STYLE DISKS hereinafter collectively referred to as “Programmed Sounds”) for their personal musical pleasure. Examples of permissible use include composing musical pieces using such Programmed Sounds and incorporating them in public performances or in recordings, regardless of whether such compositions, performances or recordings are for profit.

THE FOLLOWING EXAMPLES ILLUSTRATE SOME, BUT NOT ALL, PROHIBITED USES WHICH INFRINGE YAMAHA'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS WITH RESPECT TO ITS PROGRAMMED SOUNDS, AND ARE THEREFORE STRICTLY PROHIBITED:

1. Making copies of Yamaha's Programmed Sounds and making them commercially available or sharing them over the Internet with third parties.
2. Copying pattern data and selling the same as a musical score (paper or digital format) or incorporated in a musical score software program.
3. Incorporating any DEMO music in your musical composition, or playing any DEMO music in public performances or recordings.
4. Making copies of VOICES incorporated into a sound source of a Yamaha musical instrument and selling the same as a program.
5. Copying or distributing, or making available to third parties for their copy or distribution, any Programmed Sounds.

Any thoughts?

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[Asena]

SURE

IF you RESAMPLE a sound, if you add your own personal feel and taste to it, Then it’s YOURS!

If you take ROM (RIP) sounds and sell them as yours NO!!!
I have resampled YAMAHA sounds, YES, but RESAMPLED IT, changed a lot of things like FX, EQ LENGTH LOOP etc.

I’m still searching for the answer, CAN I DO IT!
As far as i resample it, I'm ok, Will wait for an answer from the gurus in this.

If you take a style exactly as theirs and convert from their resources, It's little different , but in the same way they offer a program directly from YAMAHA itself, that converts any MIDI to a style, Even if the midi is made by me or a company.




In the other way, I,m Using 90% of the sounds we own from LIONSTRACK, that's left over from Past, 240 GBT of sounds.Thats what i use my files from mostly.I got permission from the creator of it.

But like YAMAHA, did they pay anything to some of the companies they take things from?

Did KORG paid anything to YAMAHA when they copied the Look of PA5X?

Did Yamaha Company paid anything to STAINWAY? Did they pay anything to Prophet/Moog/Crumar/PPG/OBERHEIM/ Or any of the well known artists behind some of the ICONIC sounds from the past? NO!
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[D575]

https://www.pianobook.co.uk/stories/a-guide-to-avoiding-illegal-sampling/

Quotes from the above link>

What if i changed the original audio?

In some instances you may have changed the original audio by adding FX, cutting, or transferring it to tape and putting it through a blender… No matter what, the original audio source still holds the copyright and ownership of that new audio recording.

Further reading>
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://repository.uwl.ac.uk/4852/1/SSRN-id2898820.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiHqeKmqNOFAxW1QUEAHRhqCZEQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1-C26EYXnMwI9ycAH5-Kq2

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/wipo_pub_909_2016.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiPm7WPrdOFAxVAV0EAHX2QCTYQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw06MI7yA6xoBWqrkzjcJPkq
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[Aripearlmusic]

I'm not worried about selling the DX7IIFD samples or the DX5 because:
1. the machines are FM synths and not PCM based
2. I own both machines
3. I designed my own patches on them
4. Yamaha isn't going to do anything about it

I'm also not worried about using the word Motif because as it happens that sound is from Nexus and not from the Motif

As far as Detune goes the original patch is called Dee Tune and I also made many modifications to it on the XS rack module before sampling and after

As far as my Roland sounds I also own the JV1080, XV5080, Fantom G, G600, and VA76. I sampled my own patches from them even though I kept the same name and I processed everything through other hardware and software.

I modify all patches that I sample to optimize the recording quality so it sounds and plays smoother than the original machine and or software

If Yamaha or Roland are worried about my sounds and flag me for copyright that means I'm doing my job right.

Thanks for the compliment lol
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[Asena]

[karmathanever]

Maybe missed the theme of this topic - my interest is regarding copyright in this example:-

Let's use Korg and Yamaha in this example:-
Sample sounds directly from a Yamaha keyboard model A.
Format the sounds ready for loading on Korg keyboard model X.
So effectively saying "Buy my sampled sound set of Yamaha model A for your Korg keyboard model X" implying the purchaser can now enjoy Yamaha sounds on their Korg keyboard.

Several years ago I sampled a single particular sound from a keyboard, built a loadable copy of it for a different keyboard (different manufacturers) and shared it on a forum (note - not for money). Somebody complained at that time that this was a breach of copyright. Never could quite understand this.


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[Aripearlmusic]

The copyright applies on the sound in it's original format
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[Biggles]

Whatever you do to the original Sound it is not yours to modify and to sell on.

If you use an original Sound and re-sample it, it is still not yours, it still belongs to Korg, Yamaha etc whoever owns the original Sound, owns all subsequent uses of said sound.

If you opened a donut outlet, called it McDonut and put a whacking great big yellow M sign on the outlet do you think that a certain company would not take legal action.

Same thing
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[Aripearlmusic]

So Fender owns the copyright on every recording with a strat? Don't be ridiculous
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[QuiRobinez]

[Aripearlmusic]

Yamaha, Korg, Roland, Ketron and every other company sample sounds for their machines without paying royalties. That's why they change the names of their sounds as well. You think Korg paid Ludwig, Gretch, DW, and other drum companies for sampling their kits? You think Yamaha pays Roland to use the supersaw? Italian grand from Korg is supposed to be the Fazioli F278. Change the name and boom no royalties.
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[QuiRobinez]

[Aripearlmusic]

Red pianos didn't get into trouble. Copyright also only applies to every country where the copyright is filed in
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[JagiChan]

[Aripearlmusic]

Documented evidence of lack of evidence? That's a good one LOL
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