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laurance · Full Member Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 133

@ Nemydom: if you’re interested in ketron sounds/drum kits just get an SD1000 and you’ll put a new life to your already high quality Pa5x sounds
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Nemydom · Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:21 pm Post subject:

Nemydom · Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:32 pm Post subject:

laurance · Full Member Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 133

Any sampled voices or drum kits of any any instrument into Pa5x will give you only the timbre of the sound never the original and that is for many reasons

Take a Genos 2 as an example, only YAMAHA engineers knows how many layers per note and per voice used and velocity etc..

Ketron Genos Boss etc will never sounds same into any sampler evven if they are sample based.

Many of sound packs sold I recognized the origin sources that was taken from (either sampled or extracted) but in no way you have the same thing again for many reasons

The cheap KETRON SD1000 has layers and effects on snares and Base drums impossible to be replicated, instead you get only the timber not detailed sound (a copy )

If you tweak the Pa5x sounds you’ll get much more professional results than putting samples

You have a hidden treasure to discover on YouTube that will let you know how (Qui Robinez)

Regards
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Aripearlmusic · Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:12 pm Post subject:

Actually you can check the velocity layering on most sounds on most keyboards and as far as the note switch its usually logical like minor thirds, major thirds, or tritones. The reason Yamaha sounds sound better on Korg is because Korg has a much better sampler that is more in depth
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laurance · Full Member Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 133

Aripearlmusic · Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:18 pm Post subject:

The 4x has up to 24 samples per note and the 5x has up to 48. The entire UVI library is not even a terabyte I have the entire thing with every expansion. The trick reconstructing a Library of the ROM of the Genos is to sample the multisamples with a flat EQ and totally dry and then layer it the same way. Not only is it possible to fit on the 4x but you can also fit the entire Roland fantom at the same time.
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laurance · Full Member Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 133

Aripearlmusic · Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:07 pm Post subject:

. Lets analyze it... Sampling every note of every drum kit would be a massive of RAM and here's why. Not every single drum sample should be stereo. Almost every kit on every keyboard contains dozens of duplicates from every other kit. Factory sounds are pretty much the same thing. Look at the total amount of multisamples and the total amount of sounds. Many of the stock sounds share multisamples. That applies to every keyboard from every brand. If you look at the actual data used by every sound and know exactly how many samples to record and the exact settings to use and factor in the difference between the models you can fit the entire Genos and the entire Roland fantom in the 4x. Yamaha has dozens of sounds that just duplicates of each other with different FX so you just need one of them and you can do the rest as a keyboard set. Roland does the same thing. Korg is the only one that actually provides their entire ROM sample and multi sample list. All it takes is skill, creativity, patience, the right hardware, and 4 programs running as a chain to sample them properly.i have over 300 customers that can attest to it. When you can sample, edit, and set up over 1000 sounds in one day without using any one shots let me know lol.
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laurance · Full Member Joined: 04 Jul 2011 Posts: 133

Dear Aripearlmusic maybe you are right, life is an eternal learning curve but at the same time there is logic

Sampling is just like taking a photo of what is happening not how is happening
Years of engineering research at YAMAHA or any other brand just can’t be replicated by simple steps as you mentioned

Example:

Some of the audio loops in Global Sound package are taken from the company WIZOO ( old company with talented engineers in audio) and these are one shot loops only ..

while the original program is much much more detailed with a mixer control for each percussion sound and resampling option and time stretch for each sample (not loop) just impossible to be replicated at 1:1

To resume:

- Can I put Genos sounds in Pa5x ..?
- Yes for sure and the Genos is also capable to have Pa5x sounds inside

- Will be any difference in accuracy /quality / quantity ..?
- 100% yes in any direction you go.

Regards
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Nemydom · Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:37 am Post subject:

Aripearlmusic · Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:55 pm Post subject:

chelsea4023 · Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:11 pm Post subject:

Hi,
This is an interesting discussion.
Would it be possible for one of you to Post a video of a sound on a Genos/Genos 2 and then the same sound (that has been sampled) played on a Korg PA4X/PA5X. It would then allow the Forum Members to decide if the two sounds are similar enough.
Probably the best person for the job would be Asena himself.
Chris