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Asena
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Yes, very usefull,
We all hope it will be there in 5 X.
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I agree with Asena - it was very useful - I had some great results with it.
Unfortunately I am unable to predict the future of the PA5x
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Hi Ron,
Personally never had much luck with it, probably the choice of midifile I was trying to convert, or maybe it got updated? and it improved.(I sold my Pa4x really early 😞).
Anyway, I think maybe Qui’s option
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=129108
might be of use for time being.
Simple enough to do , and one isn’t sacrificing tracks.
(Just in case you haven’t seen the video)
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Sam CA
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Midi to Style |
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Did it work as expected ?
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Yes and no.
I always made my own styles, so only used it a few times to see how good it was. I came to this conclusion that it was a useful feature in that you could come up with something to practice with or buy time until you actually come up with something better. The results were violently different. I don't know how the Pa5x version would be, but at the time the whole process was fully automated.
I remember I tried a pretty good midi file and I wasn't impressed with the results. Then decided to help the bot. I edited the midi file, cleaned it up, took out questionable sections and came up with a much more suitable midi file and tried again. The result was actually worse than before!
But all in all, it's a useful feature, as long as you don't expect it to spit out a fully functional Style. Even if you get 1 playable variation out of it, it's still good enough.
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QuiRobinez
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Midi to Style |
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| Sam CA wrote: |
Yes and no.
I always made my own styles, so only used it a few times to see how good it was. I came to this conclusion that it was a useful feature in that you could come up with something to practice with or buy time until you actually come up with something better. The results were violently different. I don't know how the Pa5x version would be, but at the time the whole process was fully automated.
I remember I tried a pretty good midi file and I wasn't impressed with the results. Then decided to help the bot. I edited the midi file, cleaned it up, took out questionable sections and came up with a much more suitable midi file and tried again. The result was actually worse than before!
But all in all, it's a useful feature, as long as you don't expect it to spit out a fully functional Style. Even if you get 1 playable variation out of it, it's still good enough. |
I totally agree!
The midi creator bot is in my opinion more like a gimmick. Of course you can help the results by cleaning up the midi file (removing the not needed tracks, setting the correct midi channels, etc), but even then most of the time you can get one variation that can be used for the song.
But especially if you are a commercial style maker, just do it in a DAW, it's so easy to create full styles from existing midi files, or by recording your own midi files in a DAW. It's really just a matter of assigning some labels and set the correct channels and do some revoicing on the pa5x.
When you have done this a few times then this doesn't take long for perfect full new styles.
For instance I have over 120 song styles now converted from yamaha styles. And when you have done so many styles than the time it takes me to do this is 2 minutes for converting the style to pa5x format and about 5 minutes for the revoicing / mixing process. So around 7 minutes to convert a yamaha midi style to a pa5x style, once you are experienced with it.
No way that you would ever get the same end result with the midi creator bot on the pa4x.
When creating styles from midi files (so where you have to decide yourself what parts goes where), then it takes longer. Because in most cases the downloaded midi files aren't that great quality, so you have to edit the midi events in them to make them correct (which the creator bot also doesn't do on a pa4x).
But even then, it doesn't take long. And Korg made it extremely easy to create styles in a daw (which is much more suited to create styles) and transfer it to the pa5x. In the yamaha genos it's much more complex (with the casm blocks for instance) to create styles.
But on the pa5x the process is very easy to do.
So to conclude:
the creator bot is a nice feature for users that just want to have some luck with the conversion in one variation. Professional sound designers or style makers should never use the creator bot, just use the tools that are available, we live in 2023, so why not use the much better tools for this we have nowadays.
So to conclude, how to do it:
- use a DAW that supports labels
- load a midi file or the song parts yourself (you can use your pa5x in the daw with just one usb cable for the midi connection)
- assign the labels to the sections you want to use
- export it as a midi 0 file
- import it in a new style
- do the revoicing
there are tutorials on my youtube channel where I show this process so you can see how easy it is once you know how the label and channel requirements for styles work. |
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