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fselles
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 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:01 am Post subject: sLOPE PROBLEM |
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| Hi! Im trying to make a slope (crossfade for a split in combi mode) with an organ, but it doesnt work... any idea? is it an engine problem? other sounds can do it JUST FINE... |
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KingKronos
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, just confirmed the CX3 doesn't do crossfades!
You can do a workaround if you want.
Adjust the organ's keyboard zone split point as usual.
Assign the Dyna Compressor IFX to the organ.
Assign Note Number to the Source for compressor's Output Level.
Adjust the Amount to something like +50 to fade out organ's upper range.
Hope that helps. |
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KK
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting discovery. I suppose it's because the CX-3 is not velocity sensitive. |
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fselles
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| KingKronos wrote: | Wow, just confirmed the CX3 doesn't do crossfades!
You can do a workaround if you want.
Adjust the organ's keyboard zone split point as usual.
Assign the Dyna Compressor IFX to the organ.
Assign Note Number to the Source for compressor's Output Level.
Adjust the Amount to something like +50 to fade out organ's upper range.
Hope that helps. |
Does this work for you?? Not to me... may I missing something? |
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KingKronos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| fselles wrote: | | KingKronos wrote: | Wow, just confirmed the CX3 doesn't do crossfades!
You can do a workaround if you want.
Adjust the organ's keyboard zone split point as usual.
Assign the Dyna Compressor IFX to the organ.
Assign Note Number to the Source for compressor's Output Level.
Adjust the Amount to something like +50 to fade out organ's upper range.
Hope that helps. |
Does this work for you?? Not to me... may I missing something? |
Yes, I tested it quickly when I posted.
It's too late now to respond in detail.
Let me know exactly how you want to split and fade.
Then I'll give you detailed how-to tomorrow. |
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fselles
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| KingKronos wrote: | | fselles wrote: | | KingKronos wrote: | Wow, just confirmed the CX3 doesn't do crossfades!
You can do a workaround if you want.
Adjust the organ's keyboard zone split point as usual.
Assign the Dyna Compressor IFX to the organ.
Assign Note Number to the Source for compressor's Output Level.
Adjust the Amount to something like +50 to fade out organ's upper range.
Hope that helps. |
Does this work for you?? Not to me... may I missing something? |
Yes, I tested it quickly when I posted.
It's too late now to respond in detail.
Let me know exactly how you want to split and fade.
Then I'll give you detailed how-to tomorrow. |
Thank you very much!
There is no hurry! thanks for respond!
Id like to have the organ on the left side 2 octaves up, and piano on the rigth. This with a crossfade from E3 to E4 or so....
I tried several times what you said but Im having no fade out for the organ... but the compressor its actually working... my bad Im sorry. |
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KingKronos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| fselles wrote: |
Id like to have the organ on the left side 2 octaves up, and piano on the rigth. This with a crossfade from E3 to E4 or so....
I tried several times what you said but Im having no fade out for the organ... but the compressor its actually working... my bad Im sorry. |
Here are the settings for the Dyna Compressor.
Output Level: 6
Source: Note Number
Amount: -66
Here are the settings to Keyboard Zones.
Organ is on timbre 1, Piano on timbre 2
both set to MIDI channel 1
Organ top key: E4
Piano bottom key: E3
To create a one octave fadeout from E4 to E3
Piano bottom slope: 12
Rock on! |
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fselles
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| KingKronos wrote: | | fselles wrote: |
Id like to have the organ on the left side 2 octaves up, and piano on the rigth. This with a crossfade from E3 to E4 or so....
I tried several times what you said but Im having no fade out for the organ... but the compressor its actually working... my bad Im sorry. |
Here are the settings for the Dyna Compressor.
Output Level: 6
Source: Note Number
Amount: -66
Here are the settings to Keyboard Zones.
Organ is on timbre 1, Piano on timbre 2
both set to MIDI channel 1
Organ top key: E4
Piano bottom key: E3
To create a one octave fadeout from E4 to E3
Piano bottom slope: 12
Rock on! |
thank you very much for this answer
this defenetly work for making a hammond fadeout, but... as soon as i play a piano note the organ stop the sound unless the note is in the crossfade shared register, in that case the organ volume abruptly down to the point of that note....
(sorry for my english I hope this make sense....)
Any idea? |
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KingKronos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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The Dyna Compressor must be assigned to IFX.
Not to the TFX or the MFX.
Go to IFX tab, then the Routing1 tab.
If the organ is on timbre 1, change it from L/R to IFX1.
(Make sure the piano on timbre 2 is not assigned to IFX1).
Then go to Insert FX tab, and change slot 1 to Dyna Comp.
Organ ==> IFX1 (Dyna Comp)
Piano ==> L/R or another IFX |
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fselles
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| KingKronos wrote: | The Dyna Compressor must be assigned to IFX.
Not to the TFX or the MFX.
Go to IFX tab, then the Routing1 tab.
If the organ is on timbre 1, change it from L/R to IFX1.
(Make sure the piano on timbre 2 is not assigned to IFX1).
Then go to Insert FX tab, and change slot 1 to Dyna Comp.
Organ ==> IFX1 (Dyna Comp)
Piano ==> L/R or another IFX |
I think all of that is alrigth, please check this photos:
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10222663784837044&set=pcb.10222663787237104
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KingKronos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, that's a lot of FX for just the organ!
But yes, it looks correct.
Is it not working normally for you?
For me, I can play piano and organ separately.
The organ fades out as you go higher from E3 to E4.
The piano fades out going down from E4 to E3.
They do not affect each other.
Perhaps you have voice stealing?
Look at the Perf Meters tab as you play. |
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fselles
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| KingKronos wrote: | Wow, that's a lot of FX for just the organ!
But yes, it looks correct.
Is it not working normally for you?
For me, I can play piano and organ separately.
The organ fades out as you go higher from E3 to E4.
The piano fades out going down from E4 to E3.
They do not affect each other.
Perhaps you have voice stealing?
Look at the Perf Meters tab as you play. |
I dont think so....
voice stealing 0
and nothing above 30% in the perf tab....  |
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fselles
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| KingKronos wrote: | Wow, that's a lot of FX for just the organ!
But yes, it looks correct.
Is it not working normally for you?
For me, I can play piano and organ separately.
The organ fades out as you go higher from E3 to E4.
The piano fades out going down from E4 to E3.
They do not affect each other.
Perhaps you have voice stealing?
Look at the Perf Meters tab as you play. |
I copied the same compressor setting for the output part on the IFX tab and now I can play both sounds at the same time... the problem is that de comp trigger from the last note Im playing, for example if Im playing an Em on the 3oct but the compressor works to some note in the 4oct... thats the gain that it deliver
I feel like a monky trying to explain this in english  im sorry... |
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KingKronos
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Don’t worry about your English 
I can understand enough, no problem.
I think somehow the Dyna Comp is shared.
Try putting piano only to L/R on IFX Routing1.
Make sure there is no compressor in MFX or TFX.
Save combi, go to another combi two times.
Then return to this combi. Maybe even reboot first.
Sometimes I notice Kronos gets confused with too many edits.
Make sure Dyna Comp is on the organ only.
Try disabling it temporarily, and play organ and piano.
It should play normally.
Then enable Dyna Comp again and test.
Hopefully you’ll find the solution. |
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fselles
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| KingKronos wrote: | Don’t worry about your English
I can understand enough, no problem.
I think somehow the Dyna Comp is shared.
Try putting piano only to L/R on IFX Routing1.
Make sure there is no compressor in MFX or TFX.
Save combi, go to another combi two times.
Then return to this combi. Maybe even reboot first.
Sometimes I notice Kronos gets confused with too many edits.
Make sure Dyna Comp is on the organ only.
Try disabling it temporarily, and play organ and piano.
It should play normally.
Then enable Dyna Comp again and test.
Hopefully you’ll find the solution. |
yeah.... i think im on my own on this one! Well, thank you very much for your time!!
I just can´t believe slope doesn´t work with organs... it seems such a simple thing...
Hope korg are still thinking in a last update for kronos and fix this... maybe a FINAL VERSION hahaha... I bought my kronos this year  
thanks again, take care buddy! |
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