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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:16 pm Post subject: Korg NAUTILUS vs KRONOS. Differences and similarities |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkw0nladyLI&t=2210s
Korg NAUTILUS vs KRONOS. Differences and similarities
- An objective view of what's been added, what's been removed, what are the trade-offs, etc
-Tutorial exploring the new arp and drum sequencers _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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Sharp Site Admin
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 18213 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:54 am Post subject: |
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To me this keyboard is a KORG M50 replacement. A really good replacement at that too. Not targeted at people like me, or anyone who already has a KRONOS.
In short, it's a baby KRONOS on a budget.
Regards
Sharp. _________________
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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yes, thats a fair and brief assessment.
the Nautilus owner base should increase in 2021, as it arrives in the retail channel , gets distributed starting in February.
And IMO, Kronos will go EOL, while that is not abundantly clear, it will happen when Korg decides.
That would leave Nautilus by itself as the factory new w/s.
For those reasons, I thought it was proactive and organized, to have a Nautilus forum. Plus keep all the beginnings posts, Nautilus videos in one place for faster access. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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Maxfpt
Joined: 13 Dec 2014 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a Kronos user from 8 years, and there are a couple of differences that I've noticed:
1) I mainly use Kronos live, usually switching sounds in the same combi by Karma scenes and/or using knobs, slides, vector, aftertouch, etc. in realtime: this is not possible with Nautilus.
2) Increasing the sounds quality/number, more ram should be occupied by factory sounds and less for user samples / EXs.
It's not clear to me the meaning of this product, especially when we all (logically) asked for e.g. an updated 64bit system, more ram available and a bigger storage for sounds......nothing so expensive or innovative, but "evolution" only, competitors are still far away, but not so much as 10 years ago.
It seems that, while competitors are doing steps forward to compete with Kronos concept, Korg has done a step rearward with Naultilus.
What we've to expect for the future? a new expensive flagship SuperKronos or nothing else? |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Maxfpt wrote: | I'm a Kronos user from 8 years, and there are a couple of differences that I've noticed:
1) I mainly use Kronos live, usually switching sounds in the same combi by Karma scenes and/or using knobs, slides, vector, aftertouch, etc. in realtime: this is not possible with Nautilus.
2) Increasing the sounds quality/number, more ram should be occupied by factory sounds and less for user samples / EXs.
It's not clear to me the meaning of this product, especially when we all (logically) asked for e.g. an updated 64bit system, more ram available and a bigger storage for sounds......nothing so expensive or innovative, but "evolution" only, competitors are still far away, but not so much as 10 years ago.
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yes, its very clear, Kronos owners look at Nautilus and say " huh ? what ? why ?"
which is understandable since Nautilus is not pointed at Kronos owners where owners completely rely on many of Kronos features.
Nautilus is $600 less, too. Thats an indication it lacks features Kronos has.
Bottom line, Nautilus does not seem to be the answer to what almost all Kronos owners want from Korg.
The problem I have with Korg is captain obvious, they have been ignoring the Kronos community for +3 years. But that is a totallty separate topic from Nautilus. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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Geoff Flynn Full Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:30 am Post subject: |
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GregC wrote: |
The problem I have with Korg is captain obvious, they have been ignoring the Kronos community for +3 years. But that is a totallty separate topic from Nautilus. |
You shouldn't be surprised though GregC.....given that Korg abandoned the future proofed "Open Architecture" Oasys despite its hefty price tag.
Even though Korg generally make my favourite keyboards, I said I would never buy a new Korg again. I have a Kronos 2 which I bought second hand.
Cheers. _________________ Korg Oasys 76, Korg Kronos 2 61, Korg Wavestation EX, Roland Jupiter X, 2 x Roland A800 Pro, Yamaha SY77, MacBook Pro Retina 15-inch Core i7 2.7GHz 16GB / 768GB, MainStage 3, Cymatic uTrack24, Samson S Patch, U-PHORIA UMC404HD Audio interface, Yamaha MG16XU mixer |
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Narioso Senior Member
Joined: 15 Oct 2015 Posts: 300 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Geoff Flynn wrote: | ....given that Korg abandoned the future proofed "Open Architecture" Oasys despite its hefty price tag.
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Looking at Oasys recently due to nice tilt screen wiki said about 3000 sold.
I hardly think that is much.
Does anybody have sales numbers for Kronos?
I have not found any searching. _________________ MIDI gear: Sequential REV2.16, Prologue-8, Hammond XK-3C, Kawai MP7SE piano, Nord Lead 2X, Roland D-05 |
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voip Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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The Kronos highest serial numbers and therefore deduced numbers manufactured were dealt with here:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=116904
Total Kronos sales are probably in the 40k-50k range. Not as many as the iconic M1 which, in its day, was relatively more expensive than the Kronos.
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Narioso Senior Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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That was a neat way of doing it, thanks.
Sounds like worth the trouble for Korg then. _________________ MIDI gear: Sequential REV2.16, Prologue-8, Hammond XK-3C, Kawai MP7SE piano, Nord Lead 2X, Roland D-05 |
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GregC Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Geoff Flynn wrote: | GregC wrote: |
The problem I have with Korg is captain obvious, they have been ignoring the Kronos community for +3 years. But that is a totallty separate topic from Nautilus. |
You shouldn't be surprised though GregC.....given that Korg abandoned the future proofed "Open Architecture" Oasys despite its hefty price tag.
Even though Korg generally make my favourite keyboards, I said I would never buy a new Korg again. I have a Kronos 2 which I bought second hand.
Cheers. |
hi Geoff, I am a realist.
I/we attempted to put formal pressure on Korg inc to not only 'communicate ' but to tangilbly do the most obvious enhancements to Kronos.
It was a worthwhile experiment IMO. It was also an object lesson for potential Kronos owners. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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Geoff Flynn Full Member
Joined: 04 Jun 2016 Posts: 145
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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GregC wrote: | Geoff Flynn wrote: | GregC wrote: |
The problem I have with Korg is captain obvious, they have been ignoring the Kronos community for +3 years. But that is a totallty separate topic from Nautilus. |
You shouldn't be surprised though GregC.....given that Korg abandoned the future proofed "Open Architecture" Oasys despite its hefty price tag.
Even though Korg generally make my favourite keyboards, I said I would never buy a new Korg again. I have a Kronos 2 which I bought second hand.
Cheers. |
hi Geoff, I am a realist.
I/we attempted to put formal pressure on Korg inc to not only 'communicate ' but to tangilbly do the most obvious enhancements to Kronos.
It was a worthwhile experiment IMO. It was also an object lesson for potential Kronos owners. |
Lots of us Oasys owners tried the same way back when. Korg had the "nerve" to bring out updates for the M3 sequencer (piano roll) but declined to do the same for the flagship. We did manage to get some additional sound packs (which was something if you hadn't already purchased them) but they basically ignored our pleas for upgrades which is rather sad. I still love the Oasys btw, but the way Korg ditched all interest after promising future proofing etc etc left a bitter taste. Once bitten twice shy..... _________________ Korg Oasys 76, Korg Kronos 2 61, Korg Wavestation EX, Roland Jupiter X, 2 x Roland A800 Pro, Yamaha SY77, MacBook Pro Retina 15-inch Core i7 2.7GHz 16GB / 768GB, MainStage 3, Cymatic uTrack24, Samson S Patch, U-PHORIA UMC404HD Audio interface, Yamaha MG16XU mixer |
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GregC Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of us Oasys owners tried the same way back when. Korg had the "nerve" to bring out updates for the M3 sequencer (piano roll) but declined to do the same for the flagship. We did manage to get some additional sound packs (which was something if you hadn't already purchased them) but they basically ignored our pleas for upgrades which is rather sad. I still love the Oasys btw, but the way Korg ditched all interest after promising future proofing etc etc left a bitter taste. Once bitten twice shy.....[/quote]
I agree, what Korg Inc did to Oasys owners was outragous.
I compartmentalize[differentiate] ' keyboard love ' from how a co like Korg [ or Roland, etc] treats a customer, esp with a + $3000 keyboard.
I think we have seen 3 substantial changes in Korgs management and their 'priorities ' .
Most keyboard customers do not scrutinize the company over decades but I make an attempt to based on their decisions on products. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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Geoff Flynn Full Member
Joined: 04 Jun 2016 Posts: 145
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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GregC wrote: |
I agree, what Korg Inc did to Oasys owners was outragous.
I compartmentalize[differentiate] ' keyboard love ' from how a co like Korg [ or Roland, etc] treats a customer, esp with a + $3000 keyboard.
I think we have seen 3 substantial changes in Korgs management and their 'priorities ' .
Most keyboard customers do not scrutinize the company over decades but I make an attempt to based on their decisions on products. |
I have a very long memory and remain unhappy with the way I (as an Oasys owner) was treated. As I said I will never buy new from Korg again and I'm happy to stick with that. Judging by the disquiet amongst Kronos owners regarding updates it sounds like I'm not wrong.
TBH most of my purchases are for software these days anyway so it is highly unlikely that I will be making a major keyboard purchase soon no matter what company we're talking about. Cheers. _________________ Korg Oasys 76, Korg Kronos 2 61, Korg Wavestation EX, Roland Jupiter X, 2 x Roland A800 Pro, Yamaha SY77, MacBook Pro Retina 15-inch Core i7 2.7GHz 16GB / 768GB, MainStage 3, Cymatic uTrack24, Samson S Patch, U-PHORIA UMC404HD Audio interface, Yamaha MG16XU mixer |
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jeremykeys Platinum Member
Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Posts: 3092 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:46 am Post subject: |
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I think Sharp hit the nail on the head there! It's not intended to replace the Kronos but as for the big flagship, who knows. _________________ If music is the food of love, play on and play loud!
Gear: Kronos 73, Triton Pro-X, Wavestation EX, Polysix, King Korg, Monotron and Monotron Duo, Minikorg, Moog Grandmother, 1 Roland U-20, Hammond M3, 4 acoustic and 6 electric guitars, 1 Ibanez 5 string bass, a bunch of microphones and other very cool toys, 1 wife and 3 cats! |
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kronoskarma
Joined: 24 Jan 2021 Posts: 34 Location: Lutz, FL
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:40 am Post subject: |
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I pre-ordered the Nautilus 3 months ago and it will be over a month or two before I receive it if I do not cancel the order 1st.
I bought a brand new Korg Kronos 2 Titanium 61 key for $600 less than the Nautilus this past week. That should tell you something. I installed a 2TB SSD into it without problems. It has 4GB of RAM though can only use 3GB of it.
Overall, the Nautilus seems to be a gigging keyboard player's keyboard. he Kronos is a workstation synth best used in the studio.
I am a project/studio composer so I do not gig or play live. I prefer the knobs and sliders of the Kronos and the bigger screen (though crowded as it is). I bought the iPad app that allows some usage of the Kronos (but not serious editing).
I am on the fence about the Nautilus. I'll likely dump the pre-order soon.
Mike _________________ Korg Karma
Korg M3 Expanded
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Yamaha Tyros 5
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