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Hidden echo effect on few Keyboard Sets - "FX1 - Defaul

 
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MarekBujko



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:56 pm    Post subject: Hidden echo effect on few Keyboard Sets - "FX1 - Defaul Reply with quote
Hello all,
today I tried to go more detailed through keyboard sets.
E.g. keyboard set "158 Dark Side" has an echo effect, but keyboard show that it is "FX1 - Default" (parameter: "39_Effect1 Variation": -1 on JSON SetList).
When I save keyboard set "158 Dark Side" to SetList, the echo effect save on this position.
I compare it with another saved SetList position (JSON files), where the echo effect doesn't play and I don't see a difference or am I blind?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Are you selecting and re-saving the FX-1 again as you save to Set List?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mitzie wrote:
Are you selecting and re-saving the FX-1 again as you save to Set List?


I select Keyboard Set: 158 - Name: "Dark Side".
(This keyboard set has echo effect, but FX-1/FX-2 is "Default". Echo effect is on FX-1 "Default" with this keyboard set. You can change any Sound for Lower/Upper 1/2/3 and this effect remains.)
Then I touch button BANK/WRITE + NUMBER 1/2/3 or 4 (SET LIST section). Settings are saved to NUMBER (with echo effect and FX-1 is still Default).
Then I go to MEDIA -> SetListBackUp -> this saved SetLists to JSON format files on USB flash.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Answer is here Exclamation Wink

Every Keyboard Set had custom settings also for effects (FX1 - Default).

It is possible to save SetList (Keyboard Set effect) with my instructions above or edit backup SetLists JSON file on PC.


JSON parameter on SetListData_xy.json file:
"02_KeyboardSet Number": NUMBER,

Replace NUMBER with number of keyboard set which effect you were interested in.


For example echo effect is on 158.

"02_KeyboardSet Number": 158,



xy above is number from 01 to 40 SetList file.
SetListData_01.json is number 1 Bank A, SetListData_02.json is number 2 Bank A, SetListData_05.json is number 1 Bank B etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So....am I right in thinking that saving a Set List with the STS Number maintains the STS default FX?

If this is the case does, changing voices, within the Set List/STS keep the default FX?.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mitzie wrote:
So....am I right in thinking that saving a Set List with the STS Number maintains the STS default FX?

If this is the case does, changing voices, within the Set List/STS keep the default FX?.



If you save SetList with activated STS or other Keyboard Set number, does it matter what effect you have set on FX1 or FX2, because FX1/FX2 effects will be saved separately to separately parameters.
Many "Keyboard Sets" have customized effect on "FX1 - Default" only, like echo effect above (JSON file: "39_Effect1 Variation": -1, "02_KeyboardSet Number": 158,).


JSON parameters for SetList files:

For info, STS sets "Keyboard Set" to zero.
"02_KeyboardSet Number": 0

FX1 and FX2 have parameters:
"39_Effect1 Variation": -1, (-1 is Default, 0 is None, 1 to 147 other FX)
"40_Effect1 Lower Send": 50, (0 to 127)
"41_Effect1 Upper1 Send": 52, (0 to 127)
"42_Effect1 Upper2 Send": 58, (0 to 127)
"43_Effect1 Upper3 Send": 70, (0 to 127)
"44_Effect2 Variation": -1, (-1 is Default, 0 is None, 1 to 147 other FX)
"45_Effect2 Lower Send": 100, (0 to 127)
"46_Effect2 Upper1 Send": 0, (0 to 127)
"47_Effect2 Upper2 Send": 48, (0 to 127)
"48_Effect2 Upper3 Send": 24, (0 to 127)

...........................
It may be funny for other members, but the logic of Korg keyboards is different from other brands. EK-50 is my first Korg keyboard.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks

One further question:
How have you obtained the SEND values?

"40_Effect1 Lower Send": 50, (0 to 127)
"41_Effect1 Upper1 Send": 52, (0 to 127)
"42_Effect1 Upper2 Send": 58, (0 to 127)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mitzie wrote:
Thanks

One further question:
How have you obtained the SEND values?

"40_Effect1 Lower Send": 50, (0 to 127)
"41_Effect1 Upper1 Send": 52, (0 to 127)
"42_Effect1 Upper2 Send": 58, (0 to 127)


These Send numbers are just how much the effect is used.
0 is 0% and 127 is 100%.

Also watch out for Style Number or Part Numbers on JSON file (sounds for Lower/Upper 1/2/3).
For example "04_Upper1 Part Number": 0,
0 is sound number 1., 1 is number 2., 2 is number 3., 457 is number 458. etc.

EK-50 Voice Name List:
https://cdn.korg.com/us/support/download/files/5830e07166d7a1c9702bef701ea819ca.pdf
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks again

I've now found, how to adjust SEND level on page 13 of the manual
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