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davekalbach · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:11 am Post subject: Drum Roll Please...

I am trying to create a drum sequence (sounds kind of like Hogans Hero's Intro)

I can create the drums via RPPR and select each beat, but I haven't been able to create a drum roll - The Wild Rock Kit has a sound I'm looking for but the roll stops at about a half note. I've tried playing a drum roll on the keyboard, but just can't get it to sound well.

So my next solution was to record my V-Drums into a Korg Digital Recorder (D32XD) edit it on the Recorder and MIDI transfer my new drum loop to the Kronos (Yes I could record it as an audio file direct to the Kronos, but then I wouldn't be able to tweak the drum kit later.

So here's the question - Does the digital output from the Roland remain digital so that I could MIDI record out to the Kronos? I can get the MIDI link to work but no sound is recorded.

Or is there a better way to do this? I feel like creating a drum roll (without sampling) in the Kronos should be easy. But I haven't found it yet.
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GregC · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:48 am Post subject:

kronos drum kits are the sound- snare- cymbal- toms- kick drum

The various patterns drive the rhythm.

I am not sure of the tempo you need for your roll. Or the duration of the drum roll.

It might be in one of the pattern

Plus there are some misc percussion kits that almost instantly provide lots of parade type drum rolls
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davekalbach · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:55 am Post subject:

I honestly think I went through ALL of the drum kits, but I will double check again.

I know I found a few sets such as TIMPANI w/SW1 - Roll, but nothing in a snare like I was looking for.

It is that military type snare roll that I'm looking to create in an RPPR
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GregC · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:13 am Post subject:

I guess I was not clear.

Lets say there are 100 drum kits

Kronos has over 300 drum patterns. I don't have the manual in from to of me- could be many more.

When you press Drum Track , a kit is selected and a pattern is selected.

You could preview these [ kit and pattern] in your SEQ to find the correct roll

Then you could copy a full measure of that drum roll. How you implement the roll in what mode is up to you.

As I mentioned, the " Misc percussion " kits might automatically give you what roll you want.

I suppose this sounds like some work.And take some time.

I don't use RPPR. It might be 'easier '. Someone else might be certain.
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pete.m · Senior Member Joined: 05 Apr 2013 Posts: 484

If you are struggling to get an exact snare drum sound, why not try retuning one of the snare sounds that are relatively close to what you are looking for? There is also the option to change the EQ on the sounds.

There are many millions of free or cheap drum sounds to be found online - your sound will surely be there.

You might even be able to sample the snare from the original recording, but that isn't always straightforward because of the encroachment of other sounds.

I suspect that an additional problem may turn out to be the difficulty of replicating a truly human feel to the roll. I presume you are recording the roll in SEQ mode, in which case you can go into Event Edit and start randomising and varying each element of the roll - slight velocity, timing and pitch differences, for example. All those will certainly help.

Or you could just outdo it. Your personal, inspired take might well work better than trying to replicate somebody else's and getting something that is surgically precise but somehow feels dead.

davekalbach · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:03 pm Post subject:

voip · Platinum Member Joined: 27 Nov 2014 Posts: 3776

Just a thought. MIDI does not carry audio data. It carries musical event data, such as note on, note off, velocity, and Control Change data, such as that used for modulation, so sounds created by the V-Drums themselves cannot be transferred over MIDI. If the drums generate MIDI events, these could be used to trigger Kronos' drum kit sounds, but the Kronos would be the tone generator, not the V-Drums, although the audio from both V-Drums and Kronos could be mixed in interesting ways.

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davekalbach · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:57 pm Post subject:

davekalbach · Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:36 pm Post subject:

UPDATE

My MIDI cables came in - I tried routing them to the Recorder with no luck. Read through Rolands Manual on MIDI output, everything seems correct. It writes a track, but can't tell if it's audio or midi.

Tried importing that track via MIDI setup to the KRONOS, something writes but its only one event in the MIDI Event editor (should have written down the name (EXIS or something like that)

Then I tried to run the Drum MIDI Out (and IN) directly to the Kronos and record a MIDI track that way. Still no luck.

This is my first MIDI experiment and boy is this different....

Anyhow I will stop for the day, and try again tomorrow. If anyone has any ideas I'd love to hear them.

--- Side Note ---

Original post was about a drum roll.

I actually did find the drum rolls. A few of the drum presets had the short roll (dotted half note) located at or around F1 and G1. A hard attack on these keys produces a long roll (about 4 measures) - I could then cut this up and most likely use it.

I just really would like to be able to capture live performance from the drum kit via MIDI, then I would be able to change the sounds to nearly anything. Seems like this should be possible.
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StephenKay · Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:34 am Post subject:

You could take a look at this, it's kind of old, but it's about using KARMA to create drum rolls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cy1IfjKl2g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbj1CWyKfDc
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kronoSphere · Platinum Member Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 697

Thank so much for your links Stephen. Absolutely very interesting : they open minds and give so many musical ideas... Idea

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davekalbach · Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:39 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the info and the videos Steve

As I watched your video I noticed you could turn off the Trigger Note in KARMA.

Is there a way to do the same thing with a Drum Track or an RPPR? I've been working on something where I'd like the drum track to begin about 8 measures in. Currently I'm triggering it with the lowest key on the keyboard while playing, which sounds the note as the drum track starts.

After watching your video I thought for sure there must be a way to silence the note, but I couldn't seem to find anything in the setup.

Can this be done?
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StephenKay · Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:19 am Post subject:

davekalbach · Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:54 am Post subject:

I'm in a Program

Hadn't thought of using the keyrange for that purpose - I'll have to experiment

I currently hav the Trigger Set to E1, with the Key Range set to E1 - E1, I'll try changing that

Thanks again
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