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[korg1]

i believe,better way is to think that you have to to with a master mix session.
If your sound output is well balanced in frequencies,
like a well mastered CD,
then whenever it plays it will sound ok,
either is a room ,or a hall,or different kind of speakers and PA.
It will still be a well balanced.

That's what i am saying.
Of course,small adjustments you can always do through your mixer or pa4x's Maxx Audio settings whenever you thing you have a problem.

In summer season,i use to work 5-6days/week on different venues every night.
With my MaxxAudio settings' preset,the only thing i might touch the whole night is the volume .

In closed halls or rooms with glasses around,
depending where speakers stand also,
i might turn down Master Bass a little bit,
with intensity around 14-16,nothing more.

Remember:
Sounds great in your ears,doesn't mean it sounds right,
check it with a spectrum analyzer to see if frequencies are right or not,
if they are right,pa4x will sound great even on worse speakers.

Sounds ok in studio but not when not in studio,means there is a problem or more ,
meaning that problem might be pa4x's itself settings,or even your mixer's master Eq,or even speakers.
So,why not starting eliminating the problems starting with pa4x itself?

What i am trying many times to say,but very few understand,
is that when ''mastering'' pa4x through MaxxAudio,it will probably has a thinner sound than before,and we know musicians like to hear punch and bass and middle freq. that helps them play.
But that's what mastering a song or a cd does,cleans all those are unnecessary,so making space for instruments and voices to sound without overlapping each other.

Imagine the bass,punched song to play from huge speakers and subs....it will sound awful

Now imagine a mastered cd to play from the same PA system.....That's all about.
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[BR]

@korg1,

Thanks for sharing this valuable info.
As you know besides adjusting different frequencies in MAXX for outputting something correct and efficient for live performances, there are other factors that we can take in consideration.

For example in order to sound correctly and efficiently in Style mode for live performances, we need to adjust also the Volume Balances, Panning, Kind of Effects
and the Amount of Effects for each Style Tracks instruments.
And if necessary adjusting the Expression of each Style Track for different Style Elements.

If you can share some info about them, it's appreciated.
Thanks.

[korg1]

Factory styles are ok ,
even if you feel or hear them worse than many custom styles,
in fact they are better, and you will discover that while playing on a big RA or PA system.
This is because their mix is done right in first place.
They also use factory sounds,which are full compressed,and here comes the part i was referring to,about Mastering :

While we have for example a sample drumkit that sounds more close to a natural drumkit,punchy and wide and etc.....compared to fake factory drumkits (which are already compressed),
we still need to mix it down and finalize our Master,right?
Just like we should do in the studio:

The drummer plays a punchy full groove track for us ,which we have to remove frequencies from,in order to sound good in the mix,right?
For that reason we use eq's compressors, limiters,all kind of plugins in order to have the best mix.

When we do this for all tracks,and our mix is right,then we have to Master it.

So...what we learn here :

- A punchy huge sound sounds greater for sure by it's own,
but
in the mix we have to place more sounds next or around it,
and the only way to do so ,
is to keep only the necessary for each track frequencies .

Assuming our mixdown is right as possible,
adding our MaxxAudio preset will help it come more clear
by removing those frequencies that might overlap,
and those we want to make space for the Lead Voices to join in the mix later.

Trust your ears and eyes by using a spectrum analyzer in case you want to create from scratch a Master Preset on Pa4x,
and based on this try to create your mixes in the styles you use in future.

It's impossible to be perfect,it's impossible to Master realitime the whole show,
but you will be using the maximum of quality pa4x has to offer,
without loosing the attack you need while playing,
and you will hear details you never heard before on your styles.
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[BR]

[korg1]

I also use customized set,not only one but 4,
one User GREEK Set and one Direct Greek Set ,
and one User English set and one Direct English set,plus factory's styles.

For all sets i use the same MaxxAudio preset.
I just try to bring styles and mixes at the same level.
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[DELLRACHIDO]

my thanks for the precious explanations.
indeed, since the release of the Next version on the pa4x, I think that the sound quality on the pa4x has been modified compared to the V2 version.
moreover, i have the impression that the pa1000 sounds better than the pa4x by importing the same program from the pa1000 to the pa4x.
This is why we are forced to make adjustments on Maxxaudio to find the best setting.
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[korg1]

I had the same impression,not only for sounds but for styles too.
They sounded better on pa1000,that's true.
So,i tried to find out why this happens...

First notice was that pa1000 used for the same style more program sounds that pa4x now calls Legacy.

So,i recorded the same style from both instruments and i heard it later on pc.

It was the pa1000 speakers and the fact that pa1000 doesn't have the clarity of pa4x,it's like more muddy ,like pa800 was,you get the impression of more punchy,while you lose in quality.

When i heard both recordings on pc i understood that was it.
If style programing was better on pa1000?maybe it is.
Maybe even pa4x'factory styles were meant to be on some other model even before pa4x,i don't know.
Pseudo-acoustic is strange sometimes,and also has to do with what you are used to hear.
If you get used to a sound in your ears,then it's difficult to understand something else,if it's better or not.
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[DELLRACHIDO]

[korg1]

I guess it's because now the sound is clean of bad frequencies,
you can hear now more details,but check what you said about reverb.
Is it much overall in factory styles too or just in your custom styles?
If there is much,first be sure that your cables are balanced and signal is ok,
then if still you hear a lot of reverb in factory styles, go to Global-->general controls--->global reverb,and set it to 0 or less.
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[DELLRACHIDO]

[korg1]

Could you do a test for us?
Can you load some pa1000 factory's sounds on pa4x and test them or compare them to the existing sounds on pa4x?

Can you load some pa4x' sounds on pa1000 and test if the result is the same?
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[DELLRACHIDO]

[korg1]

Let's wait till the end of the month,
i think an Os's udpate might be close now,
(maybe V.3.1.1 ? )

we will check them again then.
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[DELLRACHIDO]

[Aripearlmusic]

the limit of 15048 (give or take a few) is enough for over 1600 multisamples in 1.42gb (so far) with room to spare in the sample count creating over 750 sounds and 100 kits without using a single audio loop. if you need more than that you need to learn how to automate and stop using loops for crying out loud. Loops are for amateurs who don't know how to use sound mode properly and how to automate midi and sequences for styles and songs.
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