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Poseidon
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:46 am    Post subject: Effect morphing with Kronos Reply with quote
Has Anyone done “effect morphing” with Kronos Effect Engine ( via SysEX ) from external DAW ?
I know it’s possible, but i would like to know if all changes of parameters occur smooth enough to keep up with a midi track at negligible delay.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Effect morphing with Kronos Reply with quote
Poseidon wrote:
Has Anyone done “effect morphing” with Kronos Effect Engine ( via SysEX ) from external DAW ?
I know it’s possible, but i would like to know if all changes of parameters occur smooth enough to keep up with a midi track at negligible delay.


All depends of what you call "effect morphing" ? Is it a smooth transition fading between two different effects (from Phaser to Pitch Shifter for example) ? Is it a true morphing interpolation (real morphing) ? Is it smootth transition for one or several parameters inside one effect ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Effect morphing with Kronos Reply with quote
Liviou2004 wrote:
All depends of what you call "effect morphing" ? Is it a smooth transition fading between two different effects (from Phaser to Pitch Shifter for example) ? Is it a true morphing interpolation (real morphing) ? Is it smootth transition for one or several parameters inside one effect ?


a smootth transition for one or several parameters inside one effect.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Effect morphing with Kronos Reply with quote
Poseidon wrote:
Liviou2004 wrote:
All depends of what you call "effect morphing" ? Is it a smooth transition fading between two different effects (from Phaser to Pitch Shifter for example) ? Is it a true morphing interpolation (real morphing) ? Is it smootth transition for one or several parameters inside one effect ?


a smootth transition for one or several parameters inside one effect.


Well, I know it perfectly works inside the Kronos Seq, that creates a sysex event that can't be edited or modified but it can be moved or deleted. I've never tried it in a DAW, though. It would be fun to do it !
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Effect morphing with Kronos Reply with quote
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Poseidon wrote:
Liviou2004 wrote:
All depends of what you call "effect morphing" ? Is it a smooth transition fading between two different effects (from Phaser to Pitch Shifter for example) ? Is it a true morphing interpolation (real morphing) ? Is it smootth transition for one or several parameters inside one effect ?


a smootth transition for one or several parameters inside one effect.


Well, I know it perfectly works inside the Kronos Seq, that creates a sysex event that can't be edited or modified but it can be moved or deleted. I've never tried it in a DAW, though. It would be fun to do it !


Then I have to sit down and spend a good time to inject messages, to see how it goes.
I do it often with external effects but the process is much clearer and quicker with MIDI CC.
Here we are dealing with SysEx.
I am running out of effect units, after acquiring Blofeld , so I thought I use Kronos instead until I buy something.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Effect morphing with Kronos Reply with quote
Poseidon wrote:
Liviou2004 wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
Liviou2004 wrote:
All depends of what you call "effect morphing" ? Is it a smooth transition fading between two different effects (from Phaser to Pitch Shifter for example) ? Is it a true morphing interpolation (real morphing) ? Is it smootth transition for one or several parameters inside one effect ?


a smootth transition for one or several parameters inside one effect.


Well, I know it perfectly works inside the Kronos Seq, that creates a sysex event that can't be edited or modified but it can be moved or deleted. I've never tried it in a DAW, though. It would be fun to do it !


Then I have to sit down and spend a good time to inject messages, to see how it goes.
I do it often with external effects but the process is much clearer and quicker with MIDI CC.
Here we are dealing with SysEx.
I am running out of effect units, after acquiring Blofeld , so I thought I use Kronos instead until I buy something.


Yes, you're right. There could be an off-putting job consisting in sending the sysex message from Kronos to MIDI-Ox in order to identify each-parameter sysex identification ....for each paramter of the 197 effetct !!! Then, it would be easy te create a kind of Effects Sysex Library, usable in a DAW.
Personnaly, I'm not sure to get enough courage and patience to do this work !
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: Effect morphing with Kronos Reply with quote
Liviou2004 wrote:
Personnaly, I'm not sure to get enough courage and patience to do this work !


Thank you for putting me off. Very Happy
To make 1 or 2 messages ( which I do often only to init the Kronos COMBI ) would be worth a try, but if too many I might just get “bogged down”.
I better go shopping online. I am thinking to get BigSky and use it as send/return Reverb, and my TC for the rest. I remember I saw some good demos on youtube. I only have to check the signal level compatibility.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The effects aren’t really intended to be modulated in real-time with SysEx. It can be done, but the results may not be particularly desirable.

What about if you were to setup four or more IFX and use the vector envelope/joystick to morph between them? Would that work?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
SeedyLee wrote:
The effects aren’t really intended to be modulated in real-time with SysEx.


Yes, they are ! This possibility have been planned : see operation manual, p.85 :

Quote:
Recording internal parameter changes
You can use SysEx for automation of internal KRONOS effects and Program parameters.


That gives real sound creatiion possibilities
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Liviou2004 wrote:
SeedyLee wrote:
The effects aren’t really intended to be modulated in real-time with SysEx.


Yes, they are ! This possibility have been planned : see operation manual, p.85 :

Quote:
Recording internal parameter changes
You can use SysEx for automation of internal KRONOS effects and Program parameters.


That gives real sound creatiion possibilities


Sooner or later I will give a try and will post my findings here.
I’ve been building a little application ( software), some sort of dictionary, that recalls instantly the exact SysEx of Kronos. I will post it here the link too, once is finished ( will be FREE ! )
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