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GregC · Last edited by GregC on Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:59 am; edited 1 time in total

I use the Kronos drum kits and patterns.

What is missing are rolls, several fills, intros and outros . Likely specific patterns.

I do not want to ' roll my own '.

Kid Nepro has something, but those are new kits.

Korgs eXs10 sounds close:
https://shop.korg.com/Kronos/EXS-10

I think I can chop up the patterns or find a measure that I want
to solve missing rolls, intro/outtro for a drum part.

I suppose I can drop $199 if I need to.

Any alternative ? Thanks
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kronoSphere · Platinum Member Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 697

The drum patterns inside the Kronos, though they seem "old", are not bad at all : the big problem with all of them is that each of them contains too many notes. Then if you clear precisely some of them, you will be surprised how much suddenly they live and are punchy. It is very bizarre how some programmers believe that "too much is better than less" !...

Otherwise, if you prefer you can google and you will find plenty of drums mid files
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GregC · Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:10 pm Post subject:

I like ‘ old ‘

My stuff is retro 70s 80s

I also like the electronica house and techno of the kits plus any pattern that fits

I might fish for midi files but have poor success in quality and using them
Thanks !
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HardSync · Platinum Member Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 794

In case anyone does want to create their own fills and save them as user drum patterns, you might consider trying out KARMA for this. There are quite a few different ways to get this done. For instance, Stephen Kay made this fun tutorial vid that uses one the arpeggio GEs for the OASYS (this will apply equally to the Kronos) here:

https://youtu.be/3Cy1IfjKl2g

The KARMA wiki has a text version of that here: http://karma-lab.wikidot.com/karma2:playing-realistic-fills-and-solos-in-a-drum-program

You can also do a lot with any drum GE just by moving the sliders, turning on/off patterns, using the KeysHeld switch to thin out the pattern or increase its complexity... There are like 700+ drum GEs alone... plenty of source material to work with, near endless possibilities depending on slider settings such as repeat repetitions, repeat transpose, repeat rhythm value and so on. If you're curious, call up a drum program, switch on KARMA and experiment a bit. If you stumble on anything you like, press the ENTER and REC keys for auto song setup, and record your pattern(s). Then use the sequencer's tools to get the patterns from the track and save them as user drum patterns. (Sorry if this is a bit vague...)

GregC · Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:00 pm Post subject:

I like karma a lot

That u tube, sheesh , 35 steps to do something simple

I will try to give it a chance

I do plenty of chopping and edits in sew

U are right I should dig into the ge s and mangle them

Thanks !
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Liviou2004 · Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:19 pm Post subject:

Greg, perhaps you could give a look at Karo banks EXS-59 EXS-63. Sophisticated Groove I and II. 29 $ each.

psionic311 · Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:24 am Post subject:

If you're willing to spend $200 on an expansion that might not have fills, intros, and outros, you might want to look at this instead:

https://singularsound.com/product/beatbuddy/

You can find them used for $100. The Beat Buddy is made for fills, intros, and outros, and there's a good community and lots of free downloads. You can import the MIDI patterns into Kronos.

GregC · Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:56 am Post subject:

19naia · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Nov 2012 Posts: 1216

For $500, i got the old DR.880 drum machine, which probably dates back to when OASYS came out or even a bit earlier.

It has a dedicated fill ,intro and ending section that can be used to construct entire drum pattern songs from scratch.
50 different options for Fills, intros and endings.
And they all pair with any of the 500 preset patterns.

I even went as far as recording into DR.880, one of Kronos preset drum track patterns, and then applied the DR.880 drum fills, intros and endings for a full drum pattern song. It worked like a perfect fit.
And then that can be recorded back into Kronos and made into a User drum pattern for kronos drum track.

What i like about DR.880 is it covers the same foot print area as my 10.5” iPad except DR.880 is about 3 inches high. It sits easily on top of Kronos at the far right surface panel area with no controls in the way.
And i get extra foot control jacks that midi into kronos from DR.880, plus a bass track in DR.880 with bass programs to use without taxing Kronos polyphony limits.
I haven’t even tapped into what Karma can bring to the mix if i dialed in some Karma drum pattern parameters and then recorded them to DR.880 to splice into what fills DR.880 has.
I end up using karma to drive bass arp and synth arp patterns and layering that over the drum pattern work.
Then the keyboard playing goes very well for me from there.

GregC · Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:08 am Post subject:

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GregC · Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:24 pm Post subject:

Oh yes. I have Nanopad. No , I am not finding much Karma drum scene variation. I have been thru +300 kits/patterns.

Hunt and hunt is time consuming. I will check in with Karma labs.

Your ideas are excellent. I appreciate your time, typing everything out.

You have saved me a ton of time. Possibly a bunch of money I might have spent elsewhere.

Thanks !
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HardSync · Platinum Member Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 794

You're welcome.

OK, I don't have a Kronos -- really wish I did have one -- so I can't check to see which kits have KARMA scenes and I won't be of much help there. Sorry.

For the kits you have that don't have any KARMA going on, one thing you might try is loading up a drum kit that does have KARMA programmed, and then going to Global > P0: Basic and uncheck the Load KARMA settings when changing setting for Programs at the top right of the screen. Doing this keeps the current KARMA settings and will apply them to any new program you choose. Then you can freely switch to other drum kits and hear how those sound with that KARMA drum GE. Obviously, it will be the same patterns from first kit you chose, but each kit will handle those somewhat differently. You never know what might come of it...

This feature is really useful for any type of program, like synths and such, and for trying out a KARMA GE that you really like on other programs. KARMA should keep playing as you switch sounds, too, which is nice. If you like what you hear, you can save your program into a new slot and it will keep that GE when you save. Then go back to Global and re-check the box when you're done. It can be a bit wonky doing this for combis, though, but sometimes it's interesting.