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Kevin Nolan · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:43 pm Post subject:

Bachus, it's my understanding that SA2 uses AEM (Articulation element Modelling) technology - which is a sophisticated sampling based technology only, not containing Virtual Acoustic modelling. Happy to stand corrected on this, but that's what I've read over time.

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aron · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:17 pm Post subject:

>Yet there certainly are some mathematicall models at work...

YES FOR SURE!
But really.... I doubt an awesome cutting edge technology like the VL1 will come again from Yamaha. (I should change this). What I mean is that I doubt awesome cutting edge technology will come out just to showcase like a DX7 or VL1 - the type of synthesis that awaits the programmer. What I believe we may find is "awesome cutting edge technology" that makes a good piano sound or EP sound etc.... In fact, maybe all will be hidden from the user (the programming aspect). That's what I think.

From a business standpoint, you can extend AWM to have great filters etc... and just make "darn good sounds" and really that's what most people want. "Darn good sounds". Of course sounds are subjective but I would guess most people want "good sounds" way more than powerful synthesis.

Think about it, if everyone wanted powerful synthesis, most of us would be playing the K series from Kurzweil. Was there anything more powerful than that in a performing keyboard for mass sale?

Like anything else - the workers are getting older, the demographic changing, now maybe they say - WOW check out this OLD FM stuff... you mean we can make a $500 keyboard with tiny keys and resell it? Lets go for it!!!!!!

I don't know Bachus, perhaps you know something I don't (highly likely) but my feeling is the VL1 will never come back in the form it was so I await the day the power supply will go out and that will be a sad day. My breath controllers are already waiting for the day the crappy cord will break.
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Kevin Nolan · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:34 pm Post subject:

Where are you getting that from? Am keen to read about it. I have followed these technologies out of interest for some time but have not encountered this. Very interesting indeed.

Kevin Nolan · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:40 pm Post subject:

aron · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:26 pm Post subject:

Mini keys are fun and easy to put on other keyboards!

I remember when the mini keyboard was my DX7 on top of the Oberheim!
I also like my CS-01 and KX5, two great mini-keybeds.

Isn't it true that Yamaha and possibly Roland keyboards are slightly thinner width-wise than other keybeds???
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Derek Cook · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:34 am Post subject:

Kevin Nolan · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:15 am Post subject:

OK Derek - and by they way - debating here with best intentions - good will - and deep respect for you and everyone else here Smile

- but -

Yamaha already have a good workstation - two of them - Motif and Tyros. We here might not regard them as 'quite Kronos' - but they are magnificent in their own right. Surely any advancement of that is already happening though a maturing process.

Most people's beef with Yamaha over the past 10 years has not been your beef. Traditional Yamaha synthesists do not want another workstation - they want Yamaha to get involved with synthesis in the way they are good at - performance control and innovative synthesis. Nobody bought an SY77, SY99 or EX5 because of their workstation capabilities - they bought them for their synthesis capabilities and their performance control. so it's been about synthesis, not about the release of workstations.

And now they've started to address that. Whether it's the complete article or not yet (it isn't!) it needs to be acknowledged, and the weight of your argument as been as if it's essentially pointless (to you). I'm pointing out the significant step forward it represents to many other traditional Yamaha users, myself included.

I think you're undervaluing what Reface already represents - it's a total departure from their past 10 years, a recognition of their best legacy, a nod to performance control and a pointer to the future. I don't believe there's any "having to wait and see" - with respect to seeing if Yamaha are prepared to engage their synthesis legacy - they just did it already!

You just don't value it, or want it; but that does not mean it hasn't already happened. Not liking it is fine - no argument there - but to traditional Yamaha synthesists the situation is now different. In 2015 Yamaha released a new line of synthesizers, with quite innovative features. I has happened.

We have been reading for months now of the trademark Montage, and Richard Devine waxing lyrical about extraordinary new synthesis from Yamaha about to come.

Overall - a different situation to the one you, and many here, are portraying, in my opinion.

chilly7 · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:40 pm Post subject:

Bachus · Platinum Member Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3126

Derek Cook · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:30 pm Post subject:

chilly7 · Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:16 am Post subject:

DodgingRain · Joined: 25 May 2009 Posts: 33

I just hope it isn't full of half baked ideas like reface is and I hope the new thing has some real synthesis capabilities that are not dumbed down like reface.

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