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DonM · Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:35 pm Post subject: Style Endings?

Does anyone know if they improved some of the style endings. Quite a few on the PA3X are really bad; they just STOP, no decay, nothing. It would be easy to do them right, because many of them ARE done right.
I've brought this up before and it doesn't seem to bother too many users, but I can't see why it doesn't.
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korgpask · Senior Member Joined: 15 Aug 2013 Posts: 351

New styles are very good.

Dikikeys · Guest

One thing I'd like to see on ALL arrangers' Endings is the ability for the arranger to 'hold' the final notes for as long as you hold the chord recognition.

Roland don't have this, it's a huge issue unless you edit the style (and it never fixes it, as the ending 'hold' depends a lot on the song).

DonM · Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:43 am Post subject:

Some of the PA3x endings don't even have one measure of "hold". They just stop. Silence.
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Dikikeys · Guest

Just curious, but has any arranger got the 'hold final chord until release' feature?

If not, wow, there's something REALLY useful to us all. A drum flourish upon release might also be pretty cool...

karmathanever · Platinum Member Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10409

DonM · Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:48 am Post subject:

I'll record some in the couple of days. My PA3X is packed up for work at the moment,
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Bachus · Platinum Member Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3127

advid · Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:27 am Post subject: reply..

...why don't Korgs even have a 'slowdown' ending that Yamaha (and others) use..

.press ending twice for slower ending... would help sometimes...
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worth · Platinum Member Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 1100

What do you mean ? It does have a slow down function and has had since the pa1x which I still own .

karmathanever · Platinum Member Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10409

advid · Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:26 pm Post subject: reply... Slowing Down Endings

.I'm using a PA900...nothing in my manual about 'slowing' down the ending.....only repeating/looping...

How do you do it...?
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Dikikeys · Guest

How I envision the feature would be from the chord recognition area...

Styles could have a sustain 'on' on the last notes, but no 'off'. The 'off' could come from lifting ALL notes off the chord recognition area.

Alternatively, the sustain from the chord recognition Part could be used to 'hold' the final chord out as long as you want (or the sounds decay for).

It would not be THAT hard to develop.

I know I go on and on about stuff like this, but personally, I think they are the things that can move the arranger ahead. The same style engine with better sounds only seems more obviously dated. I truly believe that little things like this, even on the same sounds we already have, make for a truly more MUSICAL experience.

Velocity offsetting style Parts is another. Fill-to-same little drum 'pickups' is another. Splash or crash cymbals (and maybe a bass 'pop') extra notes in response to a fff chord recognition area hit is another. More fills (for smoother transitions) and more break/fills is another.

The list goes on and on for things that would have MUSICAL consequences, not just sonic ones. But the state of the arranger engine itself (with the exception of the Guitar Modes) has had little innovation in ten years or more.

Maybe it's time to quit whining about sample streaming, and ask for some stuff that would actually make a difference to the responsiveness of the arranger Parts to what WE play? I would happily trade away a decade of sound improvements for some really significant improvements to the basic arranger engine. Idea

karmathanever · Platinum Member Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10409

Dikikeys · Guest

Every ending, unless written to end rhythmically, has a last note that sustains. Usually, the bass and whatever is chording at the time (Brass, strings, piano, guitar etc.).

I simply envision that whatever is sustaining has no 'note off' until the keyboard chord is released. The more complicated system would involve turning the note offs of whatever you are playing into a sustain release command for the Ending sequence.

A simpler version could simply impose the sustain pedal you are actually using into sustain commands on the arranger Parts.

Both would work. The latter might be the easier to implement.

A simple 'sustain last arranger chord' command could be part of the style data, or it could be a Performance or Songbook choice. Maybe even an EC5 option.

A REALLY useful option would be a sampled drum 'flourish' that would sound when the sustain was released. The current voice engine allows release samples, doesn't it? A silent sound with the flourish on the release shouldn't be that tough to program.

There's one other option that MIGHT work... a muted tempo track enabled by a switch, pedal etc.. Enable the track, and a RADICAL tempo drop when the last note sounds could hold the final chord almost indefinitely (definitely as long as might musically be needed), and then hitting STOP would make it stop sounding.

This is a musical need that has not been addressed for ages. It strikes me that it isn't any tougher than Guitar Mode, for instance!

Preset ritardando's aren't really the answer. For one thing, each song requires a different degree of ritardando at different points in the ending. So a global amount isn't the solution. And, most of the time, the ending works fine except for the final chord being either too short or occasionally too long.

I think any of the above solutions could be implemented without a radical change to the style engine. Mind you, a radical change is rather overdue, don't you think? Twisted Evil