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siebenhirter Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 1853
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:21 pm Post subject: Pa4x - Missing Auto-Select and Fill/Mode |
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karmathanever wrote: | Understand BUT we do not have the manuals yet.
Keep you eyes open for the technical specs - I'm sure we'll have them in time for the official shipment in November. |
In specification of Pa4x-QuickGuide one can not find anything about FillMode or about Auto Select-feature.
That's a bad sign when missing in the quick-guide - hard to believe that one has forgotten it only there. _________________ kind regards
- siebenhirter, austria -
Interesting facts about styles and stylePlayer functions can be found at http: www.elmarherz.de |
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Dikikeys Guest
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Usually, if something isn't specifically mentioned, it is reasonable to assume that it remains from the previous generation if not superseded by a new feature which makes it less necessary.
Of course, MAYBE things have utterly changed... But on the whole, unless something new takes over the previous function (or it received little use), it's safe enough to assume something like it still exists.
For instance, although the fill modes were dropped in the last generational change, the auto-fill system was added, and in the large majority of users' needs (particularly as how the number of fills was doubled), was not needed so much, and met common standards used in most other arrangers' feature sets (it's important to make the transition from one brand to another easy, to encourage people to change to Korg's).
You guys don't know how lucky you are! Every Roland arranger series is a crapshoot of new features added and totally unrelated great features dropped..! You could actually build a really good arranger simply by using stuff Roland have dropped (and never returned, unlike the Chord Sequencer!). Korg is the model of consistency by comparison! |
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siebenhirter Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 1853
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:06 pm Post subject: Pa4x - Missing Auto-Select and Fill/Mode |
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Pa3X had auto-fill and also fill-mode.
Pa4x coming without fill-mode and there is nothing that was added for this.
Simply this feature is dropped as one can see in detailed specification of quick-guide. _________________ kind regards
- siebenhirter, austria -
Interesting facts about styles and stylePlayer functions can be found at http: www.elmarherz.de |
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karmathanever Platinum Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10418
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Pa4x coming without fill-mode and there is nothing that was added for this. |
Please give us a link to the detailed specs you clearly have.
Thanks
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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siebenhirter Platinum Member
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karmathanever Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Sieben - I already have this but from your comments I thought you might have seen the detailed manuals.
I think those will define what is in and what is out.
I am hoping they make them available soon especially as the PA4X is due to ship in just a few weeks.
Cheers
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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Bachus Platinum Member
Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3127
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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karmathanever wrote: | Thanks Sieben - I already have this but from your comments I thought you might have seen the detailed manuals.
I think those will define what is in and what is out.
I am hoping they make them available soon especially as the PA4X is due to ship in just a few weeks.
Cheers
Pete |
Quite right, we seem to be jumping to conclusion on prerelease documentation.
However we can also blame Korg for this, having different information on their localised websites is not a smart thing..
Korg really should have taken the time to atleast read the questions of the userbase, and probably should have andwered them. The way they handled this release so far is way to chaotic and feels very unprofessionall, espescially when you consider that the pa4x is more expensive then any other korg product available |
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karmathanever Platinum Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10418
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Yep!!
Why does Korg suck at their marketing of arrangers?
Just look at Kronos - awesome demos, tutorials, mountains of information and details etc…
Arrangers - close to nothing - even today, go find a great PA3X demo - not there - oh yes, some really nice owner videos, but where are Korg's true promotional demos?
Where I am located the "Korg arranger" is an "IF YOU WANT ONE, WE'LL ORDER IT IN" keyboard - no-one really cares about selling them or stocking them.
Several years ago Korg used to run product roadshows across Australia (Roland too - awesome) - I bought my Korg i30 based on a roadshow demo - nothing at all since then.
I am really concerned that I will not get to actually play a PA4X for a very long time. It is only recently that PA3X has appeared in local retailers here.
I actually bought my PA3X based on these forums - never got to try one first - it was a super successful risk but I'm not doing that again.
I realise the costs involved in roadshows BUT some serious demos (covering all levels of potential owners) are desperately needed.
I rely now on you great people for your feedback and great tips, tricks and information.
If it wasn't for these forums I doubt Korg would sell many arrangers and I'd probably be missing out and sitting in a corner with a Tyros.
Cheers
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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Bachus Platinum Member
Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3127
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:29 am Post subject: |
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karmathanever wrote: | Yep!!
Why does Korg suck at their marketing of arrangers?
Just look at Kronos - awesome demos, tutorials, mountains of information and details etc…
Arrangers - close to nothing - even today, go find a great PA3X demo - not there - oh yes, some really nice owner videos, but where are Korg's true promotional demos?
Where I am located the "Korg arranger" is an "IF YOU WANT ONE, WE'LL ORDER IT IN" keyboard - no-one really cares about selling them or stocking them.
Several years ago Korg used to run product roadshows across Australia (Roland too - awesome) - I bought my Korg i30 based on a roadshow demo - nothing at all since then.
I am really concerned that I will not get to actually play a PA4X for a very long time. It is only recently that PA3X has appeared in local retailers here.
I actually bought my PA3X based on these forums - never got to try one first - it was a super successful risk but I'm not doing that again.
I realise the costs involved in roadshows BUT some serious demos (covering all levels of potential owners) are desperately needed.
I rely now on you great people for your feedback and great tips, tricks and information.
If it wasn't for these forums I doubt Korg would sell many arrangers and I'd probably be missing out and sitting in a corner with a Tyros.
Cheers
Pete |
I dont think it will last long before they close down Korg Italy and move arranger development to Japan..
Arrangers are these days mostly a thing of asia, middle east and such for Korg... Us western arranger players will soon me a small and old minorrity. |
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Thoraldus Platinum Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2010 Posts: 2061 Location: Rocky Mountains - SE IDaho
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to tell your local sales company how unhappy you are with their marketing of Korg products see this page for contact info ...
http://www.korg.com/us/corporate/distributors/
As far as I can see Korg corporate possibly 'controls' 3 distributor/sales operations, USA, UK and (probably) Japan. _________________ ”It’s easy to play any musical instrument: all you have to do is touch the right key at the right time and the instrument will play itself.”
Johann Sebastian Bach
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Rick Stirling - Retired Electrical Engineer - Erstwhile Photographer
Korg Kronos2, Casio MZ-X500, PA600, AKAI MPD32, M-Audio Oxygen 25, ZOOM H6, Cakewalk Sonar |
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Thoraldus Platinum Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2010 Posts: 2061 Location: Rocky Mountains - SE IDaho
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Pa4x - spec |
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but page 9 of the PA4X quick guide clearly shows 4 fill buttons to the right of 4 variation buttons and an Auto-Fill button.
_________________ ”It’s easy to play any musical instrument: all you have to do is touch the right key at the right time and the instrument will play itself.”
Johann Sebastian Bach
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Rick Stirling - Retired Electrical Engineer - Erstwhile Photographer
Korg Kronos2, Casio MZ-X500, PA600, AKAI MPD32, M-Audio Oxygen 25, ZOOM H6, Cakewalk Sonar |
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squeezebox2
Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 35
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject: Slider Volume quirey |
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The volume sliders seem to have changed priority from the established aplications since the Pa1x??
Slider 3 is now set as Pad2/Perc instead of ACC/Perc. This suggest to me that it is no longer possible to increace/decrease the volume of the ACC on the fly as can be done with the Drum and Base sliders. It is true you can now mute the ACC totaly from the Volumes page but this is not as effective as gradual increase/decrease.
The loss of this feature would be a big loss for me, but I may be the only one!! Hope there is still someway of achieving it.
Ken |
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siebenhirter Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 1853
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:14 pm Post subject: Pa4x - Missing Auto-Select and Fill/Mode |
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Thoraldus wrote: | Sorry to burst your bubble, but page 9 of the PA4X quick guide clearly shows 4 fill buttons to the right of 4 variation buttons and an Auto-Fill button. |
Never made a bubble about fill-buttons or auto-fill button, but only about fill-mode. Maybe you do not know what fill-mode means, but be so kind and try to read that in Pa3x-Manual, Page 134 (also possible in Pa800-manuals, Pa500-manuals).
Fill-mode means to use parameters to set variation to be automatically selected at the end of each of the Fills - missing in Pa4x (Pa900 etc). _________________ kind regards
- siebenhirter, austria -
Interesting facts about styles and stylePlayer functions can be found at http: www.elmarherz.de |
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siebenhirter Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 1853
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:20 pm Post subject: Grouped Sliders missing in Pa4x |
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squeezebox2 wrote: | The loss of this feature would be a big loss for me, but I may be the only one!! Hope there is still someway of achieving it. |
You are not the only one - do not believe that. But there seems to be a great group celebrating novelties even also if one can see no progress in development, while it is easy to notice what features of the past are missing (loss of feature as you mentioned) in newer productline.
To easily turn on or off any style track while you are playing - for example muting all accompaniment tracks, while drums and bass continue to play - is nothing new or additional in Pa4x, but there is missing possibility also to adjust volume instead simple reduction to on/off since last product-line (like Pa900).
With Pa3x/Pa800/Pa500 and older models one could use "grouped" StyleTracks to adjust or mute/unmute all Style-Tracks that was seen in volume panel as three "grouped" Tracks.
And it is the same with lost functions (Auto-Select, Fill-Mode) and missing buttons to get better direct-access to sounds and parameters during live-play or style-play. _________________ kind regards
- siebenhirter, austria -
Interesting facts about styles and stylePlayer functions can be found at http: www.elmarherz.de
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Thoraldus Platinum Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2010 Posts: 2061 Location: Rocky Mountains - SE IDaho
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Pa4x - Missing Auto-Select and Fill/Mode |
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siebenhirter wrote: | Thoraldus wrote: | Sorry to burst your bubble, but page 9 of the PA4X quick guide clearly shows 4 fill buttons to the right of 4 variation buttons and an Auto-Fill button. |
Never made a bubble about fill-buttons or auto-fill button, but only about fill-mode. Maybe you do not know what fill-mode means, but be so kind and try to read that in Pa3x-Manual, Page 134 (also possible in Pa800-manuals, Pa500-manuals).
Fill-mode means to use parameters to set variation to be automatically selected at the end of each of the Fills - missing in Pa4x (Pa900 etc). |
OK ... I understand. A way to pre-program what Var plays after a given fill is played. That's what I do now on the PA600 with my fingers in real time. _________________ ”It’s easy to play any musical instrument: all you have to do is touch the right key at the right time and the instrument will play itself.”
Johann Sebastian Bach
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Rick Stirling - Retired Electrical Engineer - Erstwhile Photographer
Korg Kronos2, Casio MZ-X500, PA600, AKAI MPD32, M-Audio Oxygen 25, ZOOM H6, Cakewalk Sonar |
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