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Niki_Keyz
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 Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:38 pm Post subject: Is this a reason the Pa5x was rushed to the public? |
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I have feeling this is why Korg released the Pa5x so fast and so quick with so many issues unresolved. It was just to bring attention to them regardless of how it worked. They will obviously fix the issues and bugs later with the new OS upgrades but this to me is most likely the reason the brought it out so quick.
This is not official but it looks like they’re on the final stages of the Genos 2 being released. Korg most definitely rushed the Pa5x being the totl arranger after Covid. They just wanted to be first on the market.
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Gunnar J
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a reason the Pa5x was rushed to the public? |
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| Niki_Keyz wrote: |
...This is not official but it looks like they’re on the final stages of the Genos 2 being released. |
Video title: " Is this new Genos 2? "
NO, it's not. Only speculations and wishful thinking. If a Genos 2 ever being released, I bet it won't look like that.
I am tempted to sing: 🎶 Here we go again ...... 🎶  
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Gunnar J
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Genos 2 |
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Fake.
Has been posted several times during the past year or more.
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Niki_Keyz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Same thing was said when the leaked Pa5x photos were released in December last year. And it turned out to be the exact same thing we have now. This seems to be the real deal and I bet they’re close to the release date. Time will tell. |
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musiccankill
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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It does look kinda real but it is also obvious it is not...
The thing that makes me believe so is that the 2 of GENOS 2 is way too close to the edge.
In design nobody does that.
Also the screen looks like it is copy paste from the 5x as well as the pads.
It is a nice rendition of what it could look like but i believe this is not the real deal ( if there is one anyway ).
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Niki_Keyz
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rubenwalters
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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i‘m sure korg wanted to be before next release of the others. as every company they check the market and they might have same problems like any other electronic company past years.
i don‘t believe this videos from this same user who leaked the korg pa5x.
he want to generate clicks on youtube and earn money with it.
just wait and see. i will wait and buy ma pa5x-88 as soon it is available.
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Gunnar J
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Niki_Keyz wrote: | | Now I’m convinced Korg absolutely rushed the Pa5x to the public before Yamaha comes out with this. .... |
Nah, the pics are photoshopped and a kind of a mix of Genos and PA5X. I guess someone earn a lot of cliks now, there's a lot of clickbaits around for all kind of things.
But, at some point there probably arrive a Genos successor, but I'm sure it's not anything like those fake pictures.
In the meantime, let's see how long it takes before the new PA get the first OS updates to fix some of the reported bugs and what's missing from PA4. 
It's a kind of strange that so many want it to be more like PA4X rather than explore and learn the new possibilities....
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Bachus
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Rushed?
There is a working system..
Offcourse there are still bugs
Korg needs the early addopters to help catching the bugs
Anyone involved in software development knows its not possible to do it solely with inhouse testing.
On top of that anyone professionaly involved with an instrument in a live situation should realise they should stay away from hardware in the first year after release.. no excuses for that..
With time and lots of customer feedback korg will crash the bugs and bring a reliable system. Also the now missing features from pa4x like midifile to style converter and kaos will be added soon in updates when they are reliable..
So much people here that have no clue, about modern days technollogy… there is a reason for software patches.. espescially for a company like Korg Italy with only a handfull of programmers at their products, things like this require time..
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karmathanever
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Tyros-7?? I hope not....
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karmathanever
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Hi Bachus
Bachus, my friend, not having a jab at you at all - you do seem to have more "inside" information than most of us and I would fully respect your reluctance to inappropriately disclose private information.
I would love to take your (and others') positives regarding "...it'll all get fixed...." seriously, but I just can't.
We hear now about "demos" in shops etc.. etc.. from Korg product demonstrators talking about the future fixes etc... well Korg, VIDEO them for us!!!!!
I am very frustrated with this because the PA5x, at face value, is very exciting.....
| Bachus wrote: | Offcourse there are still bugs
Korg needs the early addopters to help catching the bugs |
If we are beta testers - then we should be informed of this.... and have discounted payment options to buy.
| Bachus wrote: | | Anyone involved in software development knows its not possible to do it solely with inhouse testing. |
+1000 I've been developing software for many years - totally agree - testing something like the PA series keyboards would be very hard to plan - permutations of options and user activity runs into millions of scenarios.
| Bachus wrote: | | On top of that anyone professionaly involved with an instrument in a live situation should realise they should stay away from hardware in the first year after release.. no excuses for that.. |
+1000
| Bachus wrote: | | With time and lots of customer feedback korg will crash the bugs and bring a reliable system. Also the now missing features from pa4x like midifile to style converter and kaos will be added soon in updates when they are reliable.. |
The problem here is no-one can be sure of this or, right now, have any confidence unless they are under a Korg NDA with inside information. This current situation is an unnerving frustration. How long have we been waiting for Korg to communicate in the last 5-6 years???? I have lost confidence in the PA future until I see some real results.
| Bachus wrote: | | So much people here that have no clue, about modern days technollogy… there is a reason for software patches.. espescially for a company like Korg Italy with only a handfull of programmers at their products, things like this require time.. |
If a company doesn't have enough staff or resources, then they need to address that as a business and not impose those short-falls on their customers.
I agree that many do not understand the complexity of the products and often say things like "...it would be a simple change to do add/modify ....."
Seriously right now, this is unprofessional business.
Korg can very easily jump out of this hole they have dug themselves into by simply communicating officially and professionally ....
(and I do not blame Korg team in Italy, whom, I am told, have a limited say in product marketing and release)
Take care
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Bachus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| karmathanever wrote: | Hi Bachus
Bachus, my friend, not having a jab at you at all - you do seem to have more "inside" information than most of us and I would fully respect your reluctance to inappropriately disclose private information.
I would love to take your (and others') positives regarding "...it'll all get fixed...." seriously, but I just can't.
We hear now about "demos" in shops etc.. etc.. from Korg product demonstrators talking about the future fixes etc... well Korg, VIDEO them for us!!!!!
I am very frustrated with this because the PA5x, at face value, is very exciting.....
| Bachus wrote: | Offcourse there are still bugs
Korg needs the early addopters to help catching the bugs |
If we are beta testers - then we should be informed of this.... and have discounted payment options to buy.
| Bachus wrote: | | Anyone involved in software development knows its not possible to do it solely with inhouse testing. |
+1000 I've been developing software for many years - totally agree - testing something like the PA series keyboards would be very hard to plan - permutations of options and user activity runs into millions of scenarios.
| Bachus wrote: | | On top of that anyone professionaly involved with an instrument in a live situation should realise they should stay away from hardware in the first year after release.. no excuses for that.. |
+1000
| Bachus wrote: | | With time and lots of customer feedback korg will crash the bugs and bring a reliable system. Also the now missing features from pa4x like midifile to style converter and kaos will be added soon in updates when they are reliable.. |
The problem here is no-one can be sure of this or, right now, have any confidence unless they are under a Korg NDA with inside information. This current situation is an unnerving frustration. How long have we been waiting for Korg to communicate in the last 5-6 years???? I have lost confidence in the PA future until I see some real results.
| Bachus wrote: | | So much people here that have no clue, about modern days technollogy… there is a reason for software patches.. espescially for a company like Korg Italy with only a handfull of programmers at their products, things like this require time.. |
If a company doesn't have enough staff or resources, then they need to address that as a business and not impose those short-falls on their customers.
I agree that many do not understand the complexity of the products and often say things like "...it would be a simple change to do add/modify ....."
Seriously right now, this is unprofessional business.
Korg can very easily jump out of this hole they have dug themselves into by simply communicating officially and professionally ....
(and I do not blame Korg team in Italy, whom, I am told, have a limited say in product marketing and release)
Take care
Pete |
I disagree, this is the only way for a small company like Korg Italy to maintain a development cycle that they can actually afford.
The only thing unacceptable to me is that they don’t communicate directly with the customers, all this commotion could have been prevented if they did..
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D575
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Bachus wrote: | | karmathanever wrote: | Hi Bachus
Bachus, my friend, not having a jab at you at all - you do seem to have more "inside" information than most of us and I would fully respect your reluctance to inappropriately disclose private information.
I would love to take your (and others') positives regarding "...it'll all get fixed...." seriously, but I just can't.
We hear now about "demos" in shops etc.. etc.. from Korg product demonstrators talking about the future fixes etc... well Korg, VIDEO them for us!!!!!
I am very frustrated with this because the PA5x, at face value, is very exciting.....
| Bachus wrote: | Offcourse there are still bugs
Korg needs the early addopters to help catching the bugs |
If we are beta testers - then we should be informed of this.... and have discounted payment options to buy.
| Bachus wrote: | | Anyone involved in software development knows its not possible to do it solely with inhouse testing. |
+1000 I've been developing software for many years - totally agree - testing something like the PA series keyboards would be very hard to plan - permutations of options and user activity runs into millions of scenarios.
| Bachus wrote: | | On top of that anyone professionaly involved with an instrument in a live situation should realise they should stay away from hardware in the first year after release.. no excuses for that.. |
+1000
| Bachus wrote: | | With time and lots of customer feedback korg will crash the bugs and bring a reliable system. Also the now missing features from pa4x like midifile to style converter and kaos will be added soon in updates when they are reliable.. |
The problem here is no-one can be sure of this or, right now, have any confidence unless they are under a Korg NDA with inside information. This current situation is an unnerving frustration. How long have we been waiting for Korg to communicate in the last 5-6 years???? I have lost confidence in the PA future until I see some real results.
| Bachus wrote: | | So much people here that have no clue, about modern days technollogy… there is a reason for software patches.. espescially for a company like Korg Italy with only a handfull of programmers at their products, things like this require time.. |
If a company doesn't have enough staff or resources, then they need to address that as a business and not impose those short-falls on their customers.
I agree that many do not understand the complexity of the products and often say things like "...it would be a simple change to do add/modify ....."
Seriously right now, this is unprofessional business.
Korg can very easily jump out of this hole they have dug themselves into by simply communicating officially and professionally ....
(and I do not blame Korg team in Italy, whom, I am told, have a limited say in product marketing and release)
Take care
Pete |
I disagree, this is the only way for a small company like Korg Italy to maintain a development cycle that they can actually afford.
The only thing unacceptable to me is that they don’t communicate directly with the customers, all this commotion could have been prevented if they did.. |
Based on that I hope Korg Italy are reaching out to some of there partners within the Korg Umbrella or even pulling-in others on a consultancy basis to help, because there is a lot of work to do and reputations are at stake...
The heat is rising across Global Social Media/Forums and in the Showrooms unfortunately...
But like you I have spent time with my country's Korg Main Representative and we all agree despite the problems there is a product here with a ((((Huge)))) amount of potential compared to what we have seen before...
Unfortunately you cannot change history and where personally i can wait... many may not...
For Korg to tackle the on-going problem's, this now requires a Strong Dynamic Approach to Remedy...
And I agree they must communicate with their customer base more effectively...
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karmathanever
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I disagree, this is the only way for a small company like Korg Italy to maintain a development cycle that they can actually afford. |
That makes no sense but you would be correct if Korg was a tiny organisation that couldn't afford to develop their products professionally in which case such a "small" company should seriously question the validity of their business objectives.
Korg Italy is not an independent company but is a small component of KORG Inc. which isn't a small company and which is the controlling business making serious product and marketing decisions.
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