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Piotr1967
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 Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:16 pm Post subject: Best Master keyboard settings for PA1000 |
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Hi friends, I need settings for Korg PA1000 as Master keyboard for MIDI interoperability with DAW Cakewalk by Bandlab on all 16 channels. I don't know how to set it in the instrument to make Korg control other synth and VSTi instruments. I am just learning this program and have many problems :/
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Best Master keyboard settings for PA1000 |
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| Piotr1967 wrote: | | Hi friends, I need settings for Korg PA1000 as Master keyboard for MIDI interoperability with DAW Cakewalk by Bandlab on all 16 channels. I don't know how to set it in the instrument to make Korg control other synth and VSTi instruments. I am just learning this program and have many problems :/ |
For connecting Pa1000 to a personal computer or tablet that has running sequencing or notation software simply use the supplied Midi Preset "Master Kbd".
Its settings are described in column "Master Kbd" of the Midi Preset Table (Manual page 887).
If just learning - basically Midi always works according to the same scheme: one device sends Midi messages over a specific channel via Midi-OUT and the other device receives these messages via Midi-IN, if it is set to the same channel (else Messages are ignored).
These are MIDI basics - but regardless of the brands of the MIDI devices and software (Cakewalk, Korg, Akai, Roland etc) that basics are explained in detail and comprehensively in numerous publications on the www and the same goes for Cakewalk (https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/35356-cakewalk-tutorial-series-for-beginners/).
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For using using songs on computer though it is not mandatory, for a wider compatibility it is recommended to set bass on channel 2, melody on channel 4, drum kit on channel 10, controls for an harmonizer on channel 5.
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Piotr1967
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Best Master keyboard settings for PA1000 |
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| siebenhirter wrote: |
For connecting Pa1000 to a personal computer or tablet that has running sequencing or notation software simply use the supplied Midi Preset "Master Kbd".
Its settings are described in column "Master Kbd" of the Midi Preset Table (Manual page 887) |
It's not quite as you say. Preset master kbd is used to connect to another master keyboard. The Player 1 and 2 preset also does not work. The Default preset partially works but she on midi channels 1 and 2 has Upper 1 and 2 set. With ch1 set, messages do not go out to Cakewalk. I don't know what the problem is. The midi routing in Cakewalk is set correctly. PA1000 is not a good solution as master keyboard 
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Best Master keyboard settings for PA1000 |
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| Piotr1967 wrote: | | ... not quite as you say. Preset master kbd is used to connect to another master keyboard... |
Sorry, you're right of course - it was my mistake.
But Player1, Player2 and Default work as they are intended for these applications.
| Piotr1967 wrote: | | ... Pa1000 is not a good solution as master keyboard ... |
I don't share this opinion - on the contrary: I think Korg Arranger Keyboards are are very well designed for working with MIDI messages - also as master keyboards.
It certainly won't be the Pa1000's fault if your first attempts with Midi connections don't work straight away!
For now, a few details are necessary: which device is your Cakewalk software running on. Have you ever had a working MIDI connection to this device - if so, which one?
Have you ever successfully received Midi messages for Cakewalk from any Midi device? If yes, with what settings?
It is impossible to judge whether your MIDI routings in Cakewalk are correct.
Can PC/Laptop with Cakewalk receive MIDI events from other devices via the same interface?
It is relatively easy to check whether MIDI messages from the Pa1000 are correctly sent to Cakewalk using a monitor program such as MIDI-OX.
If your PC/laptop should receive the MIDI events via USB, then the Pa1000 would have to be recognized as a USB device by MIDI-OX.
As soon as MIDI data is accepted by MIDI-OX but not by Cakewalk, either the connection is faulty or the Cakewalk settings are faulty.
PS: And of course it is necessary NOT to set your Pa1000's track controls to Internal.
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Piotr1967
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Korg's communication problem with Cakewalk solved. The correct connection is Player 1 preset and Korg in Sequencer mode. Other presets work randomly and only on some midi tracks. Only this connection guarantees correct communication on all 16 midi channels
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Piotr1967 wrote: | | Korg's communication problem with Cakewalk solved. The correct connection is Player 1 preset and Korg in Sequencer mode. Other presets work randomly and only on some midi tracks. Only this connection guarantees correct communication on all 16 midi channels |
As I already mentioned in my previous posting, each of Midi presets you complained about works as intended (Player1, Player2, Default). None of the presets work randomly, but rather each preset guarantees correct communication on the designated channels according to the individual requirements of the user.
So it wasn't a communication problem from Korg, but it was your personal problem setting the parameters of the MIDI connections as you needed them.
An instrument like the Pa1000 can also be used as a master keyboard with different configurations and therefore there is no "Best Master keyboard settings for Pa1000" but only the correct setting for the corresponding application.
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Piotr1967
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| Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| siebenhirter wrote: |
So it wasn't a communication problem from Korg, but it was your personal problem setting the parameters of the MIDI connections as you needed them.
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This is not my personal problem friend, but a matter of reliable description in the manual. There is no information which midi presets are dedicated to work as a master keyboard to work with DAW programs. Therefore, the user must search by trial and error
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 9:04 pm Post subject: Midi connection Pa1000 - DAW Cakewalk |
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| Piotr1967 wrote: | | ... is not my personal problem friend.. |
It really is - and is not necessary to search through trial and error, if an user himself knows how he wants to use his software for deciding accordingly whether and which setup is suitable for his configuration.
There are a variety of DAW software and a variety of ways to use them. In many cases, none of the presets are suitable for an individual configuration, so the MIDI settings have to be made manually.
If you still think that PA1000 is not a good solution as master keyboard, that default preset only works partially or randomly or a that description is not reliable because missing information about which MIDI you should select for your needs - than you should deal with the basics of Midi and gain some experience.
But it's not an accusation if just learning and have many problems. However, your criticisms of your postings in this thread are not accurate, but - believe it or not - they are solely due to a lack of experience and knowledge of MIDI.
MIDI is the most influential tool for music - both Korg's Pa-Arranger and Cakewalk are great for it. One of the advantages of MIDI is the optional connection settings for individual use, which are not completely described in any manuals but must be arranged by the user themselves.
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As already mentioned: Pa1000 can be used as a master keyboard with different configurations and therefore there is no "Best Master keyboard settings for Pa1000" but only the correct setting for the corresponding application. Be satisfied if you have accidentally found a suitable preset for your configuration.
As long as there are no factual questions regarding MIDI configuration, we should end our conversation there. If further questions arise in connection with Midi settings, they should describe the problem specifically in order to be able to find a solution.
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Piotr1967
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A few posts earlier I wrote that the problem had been solved thus ending the topic. I don't really know why you are dragging the topic ? What do you want to prove ? Not knowing me you are telling me lack of knowledge about midi with which I have been working for over 35 years only in other configurations than Korg. Yes, I am less familiar with Korg because I spent the last 20 years with Yamahas. If you are a Korg specialist then getting a Roland or Kurzweil you will also have a lot of questions in the beginning. I asked a specific and clear question in the topic. You gave me a partial answer for which I thank you. Partial, because in the case of an elaborate midi setup based on several synthesizers from different companies, specific settings apply to each of them, as well as to the DAW and the multi-port midi interface. Korg was only supposed to be a controller and that's what I asked about. And since it is possible to connect the Korg in midi via din or usb, each of these connections requires a slightly different configuration in both the DAW and the midi interface. If someone doesn't have the knowledge, they simply can't handle it. This concludes the topic. Regards
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