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ChrisDuncan · Senior Member Joined: 17 May 2018 Posts: 389

This isn't specific to the Kronos so I hope it's not considered OT, but I've got a bunch of guys here who are helpful and have way more experience than me, so I thought I'd ask.

They teach scales with all five fingers. And yet, whether it's bar bands or rock stars, I almost never see people using this technique when soloing. It's not uncommon to see someone playing a three octave run using only the thumb and two fingers. Sometimes even just the thumb and index finger.

Is there a reason for using this technique instead of all five fingers as it's taught in scales?

If this is a dumb question, remember, I'm not really a keyboard player. I'm just a guitarist who's pretending to play keys.
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CliveJ · Junior Member Joined: 30 Dec 2020 Posts: 91

It’s down to how the shape of the run fits your fingers. Sometimes it’s more comfortable and faster to use three fingers.
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ChrisDuncan · Senior Member Joined: 17 May 2018 Posts: 389

Xenophile · Senior Member Joined: 14 Nov 2017 Posts: 349

In the long run it is much better to practice and gain dexterity and strength in all your fingers. But whatever works for you.

The late keyboard hero Keith Emerson was reduced to playing with just his thumb and two fingers later in his life due to some degenerative neuro-motor disorder. It really bummed him out, to put it mildly.

If you really want to learn to use your fingers "properly," do these exercises for like 6 hours a day. In 10 years you'll be a virtuoso! https://www.hanon-online.com/

ChrisDuncan · Senior Member Joined: 17 May 2018 Posts: 389

I used to date a girl who introduced me to the Hanon book. At the time I found her far more interesting than the exercises, but history has shown that a different set of priorities might have resulted in more lasting benefits.

And cool that they're online, thanks for the link!
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Xenophile · Senior Member Joined: 14 Nov 2017 Posts: 349

She will be impressed with your digital dexterity in more ways than one. My wife calls them "piano fingers."

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AdamT · Joined: 21 Nov 2022 Posts: 17

There are lots of piano books for techniques you can practice. Hanon is good but don’t let that be the only one. You have to be careful and do them slow at first and then build up speed which is the basis of Hanon and most all technique books. I’ve seen professional players use 2,3 and 4 finger for runs and that’s fine cause it does depend upon what you are playing and how it’s constructed and comfortable to you. It’s best to have a foundation and strength in all your fingers though in the long run. Slow practice at first and increase when you feel you are ready without any mistakes being made. You’ll get there faster than 10 years if you are diligent in your practice. People learn at adapt at different rates too.

bpoodoo · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:58 am Post subject:

Teaching your fingers new tricks (after all these years). Sometimes a weakness is highlighted because of what you're trying to play. This came up for me recently when I needed to hold down a bass note C# with my left hand pinky (5) while playing 16th notes with my ring finger (4) on the E above it. It was little more difficult than I expected.

Try repeatedly playing the same note as fast as you can with a single finger without moving the rest of your hand. And even more difficult, try repeatedly playing the same note as fast as you can while holding down notes on all other fingers. It's a good exercise to isolate the muscles for each finger. The ring fingers in particular get an unexpected workout!
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ChrisDuncan · Senior Member Joined: 17 May 2018 Posts: 389

Thanks, guys!

I know you're giving me good advice because my fingers get sore just reading it.

Fortunately I'm not in any hurry since I don't gig anymore, so there's no rush for me to have virtuoso chops (and musically I'm a simple creature anyway). Just want to make friends with the instrument so I can do whatever comes to mind.
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Keyboard Station: Kronos 2 88 | Fantom 7 | JV 2080 | Cubase 13 | Windows 10 | Focusrite 18i20 | CMC TP
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Atlanta, GA, USA, Earth

Xenophile · Senior Member Joined: 14 Nov 2017 Posts: 349

It can be hard to re-train your fingers once you've gotten into a habit of playing a part a certain way. But comes a time when you might want to extend that quick riff up another octave, and you have to figure out how to cross over without getting your fingers tangled up. Exercising all 5 fingers is never a bad thing. It is good to have your ring and pinky fingers behave when you need/want them to.

This lady could give all a few lessons.

ChrisDuncan · Senior Member Joined: 17 May 2018 Posts: 389

bpoodoo · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:35 pm Post subject:

All that static electricity generated by her fingers goes straight through to her hair! That's a great performance and composition - a composition doubling as a challenging etude.
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Xenophile · Senior Member Joined: 14 Nov 2017 Posts: 349

ChrisDuncan · Senior Member Joined: 17 May 2018 Posts: 389

Great video. I've been playing guitar since '73, so the left hand part came more easily than the right, which means the right hand was also a good finger exercise.

I play almost no cover songs on keyboards since I spent so many years in bar bands. Mostly I work on songwriting for my own enjoyment. However, I've always loved the lighthearted nature of Linus and Lucy and just couldn't resist.
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Studio: Cubase 13 | Windows 10 | Yamaha TF5 | Mackie MCU | CMC AI, QC
Keyboard Station: Kronos 2 88 | Fantom 7 | JV 2080 | Cubase 13 | Windows 10 | Focusrite 18i20 | CMC TP
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Chris Duncan
Atlanta, GA, USA, Earth