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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:10 pm    Post subject: Musikant add on for International version Reply with quote

Hello everybody,
does anyone know if there is an accessory for Pa4X International to have all the resources of Musikant? For the Pa-1000 and Pa-700 there are special kits (https://www.thomann.de/it/korg_pa_1000_musikant_sd_dongle.htm and https://www.thomann.de/it/korg_pa_700_musikant_sd_dongle.htm) but for the Pa-4X I have not found anything. Of course the styles can be found, but I would like to have the other resources too, PCM and PADS

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What solution did you found?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

menara wrote:
What solution did you found?


Using Google I found a BKP file to load using the "Restore Resource" function which adds all the resources and styles of the musikant version in an additional menu, complete with video instructions.

After six years my Pa4X is still able to surprise me.

The file is not hard to find ...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since some of you have written to me privately, I have decided to publish a message so that everyone is aware of this method: I would have liked to know when it was created, almost two years ago.

My Pa4X International now has a new "musikant" menu on each voice: instruments, pads and styles. I can access every element without problems, and it is perfectly compatible with everything I had before. The procedure I followed is the following, it is three steps and it does not take more than thirty minutes:

1) create a backup using the "save ALL" function
2) load the "extensie musikant pa4x.BKP" file using the "Restore Resource" function
3) reload all the backup saved in step 1

The file "extensie musikant pa4x.BKP" is on the Internet, it is publicly downloadable, it's marked as "xxxxxxxxxxxxx" that means "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" and the author is named Adi Bulgaru.

I don't know the author personally, but he certainly knows the internal architecture of the Pa4X very well: I'm really happy that this possibility exists, if Korg had created and sold this product I would have definitely bought it.

Adi Bulgaru, I don't know if you read this forum, anyway: thank you very much!

=========== ERRATA CORRIGE =========

Unfortunately Adi Bulgaru is not the author of this package, but thanks to him I met József Galamb, and thanks to him I was able to have the complete Musikant extension of all the samples.

So if you have the same problem as me, please contact József Galamb directly.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this pack include samples ?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pa4X Musikant version uses local board eRam extra memory for over 500Mb samples that are inaccessible without
direct board Ram bus injection in hardware environment.
A BKP file like this of 23Mb size can only inject factory names of Styles & SOUND resources , but can never create/insert
samples/MS in this Local board Nand Ram.
This can be done only by experts who own source code , using over 200Mb Musikant samples in mSD.
He has probably recreated Musikant Styles & SOUNDs with existing MS of International Pa4X samples.

Hope this helps
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AntonySharmman wrote:
...He has probably recreated Musikant Styles & SOUNDs with existing MS of International Pa4X samples.

Hope this help


Antony, thank you very much for the technical explanations.

You're right, many of the sounds have been recreated using the internal samples, although there are some additional sounds loaded into RAM. But the result is that all Musikant styles are correct and sound good, and the entire Musikant collection is available on an additional tab.

If Korg releases an SD Musikant with the original samples I will definitely buy it, but for the moment it exists only for Pa1000 and Pa700.

Maybe in a few months I will switch to the Pa5X, for the moment having an "expanded" Pa4X (even if with some limitations, of course) is sufficient.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made the original installer myself at the beginning of 2016!
(v1, then v2, then later v3)
What was posted on the net (someone shared it without my knowledge, my very first v3 version),
converted version, does not include the original samples! I made this version for UPD instruments,
the original MSs have been replaced so it doesn't sound like the original and the BKP file is also small
(BKP does not contain internal MSs /.BIN file/) called v3.0.0 at the time!
If you look at the DEMO page, my name is there too!
The version I made includes all sources! (PKG only)
(as far as I know, no one but me has done this)
I translated the voices and other creators into English myself, so they don't get mixed up with German Smile names
The setup file I made is over 220MB including the original MS!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

galambjozsef wrote:
I made the original installer myself at the beginning of 2016!
(v1, then v2, then later v3)
What was posted on the net (someone shared it without my knowledge, my very first v3 version),
[...]


Hi, I am really honored to meet you. I am sorry that someone has appropriated your creation, I know it is not pleasant to see your work published under another name. What is the web address of your website?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is possible to use this file in PA1000 ?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only Pa4X
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

galambjozsef wrote:

The version I made includes all sources! (PKG only)


Yep , it sounds valid ...
At that prior OS age v.1 of Pa4X , where factory reset resources had published at normal PKG format , any skilled programmer
could decompile and grab factory resources of any Pa4X version.
Little after UPD encrypted format of resources prevailed and nobody can compile anymore OS & resources without KorgPa source code !
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AntonySharmman wrote:

Yep , it sound valid ...


And it works! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redfox wrote:

Adi Bulgaru, I don't know if you read this forum, anyway: thank you very much!


Unfortunately Adi Bulgaru is not the author of this package, but thanks to him I met József Galamb, and thanks to him I was able to have the complete Musikant extension of all the samples.

I invite all those who have the same problem as me to contact József Galamb directly.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redfox wrote:
redfox wrote:

Adi Bulgaru, I don't know if you read this forum, anyway: thank you very much!


Unfortunately Adi Bulgaru is not the author of this package, but thanks to him I met József Galamb, and thanks to him I was able to have the complete Musikant extension of all the samples.

I invite all those who have the same problem as me to contact József Galamb directly.



Thanks You!
I am honored!
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