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[quote="musiccankill"][quote="worth"]I don’t post often on this forum but I have to respond to this nonsense .

Loving korg products is something we all share in common.

I have been a korg user for over 14 years . I understand loyalty to the company .

But this is disgusting . It is not negativity for consumers / customers and potential customers to express their justified dissatisfaction with a very very expensive product that was clearly released before major functions were programmed, tested and operational.

This is actually good feed back . It helps prevent actual financial fraud .

And make no mistake that what korg is committing here is financial fraud .

They are deliberately selling an incomplete product as complete , taking clients money and then hinting that in fact the product will be finished at some point in the future . An honest company would tell their customers up front that the product they were releasing is still in its testing phase so marketed functions don’t work. Buy at your own risk .

And someone is offended that customers have the audacity to call out this fraud on a public korg forum ???

If you love the product continue to love it . What logic is there in complaining that other people are expressing a different opinion of the product than you ???

I am not offended by your positivity towards the product or the company . It’s your money and your choice .

But it is a little unfair to criticise others who genuinely and correctly expected a fully functioning product from the date it was released as such .

It is low expectations of the quality of the product that enabled korg to fraudulently push out a low quality ,not quite ready for the market product , to the market .

This horrible buiness practise needs to stop .

If this sounds harsh . You haven’t heard me in person. It sounds much worse .[/quote]

As i can clearly see, you are referring to me and i m not offended too by any means by you or anybody!

Well , as i said, i DON'T agree with what korg does ,just like you don't agree too, and nobody should agree with any company that does such things no matter how much they like any product or not!

What i said here, is that the same story has happened again and almost nobody seems to have learnt anything!

Of course we should advice others to prevent them from making a mistake.
Of course we should be against any company that does these type of things.
Of course we should express our disappointment.
But there is a certain stage that it goes beyond that into ranting and negativity without any foreseeable benefit...
And as i was writing this post , i felt that for me it got past this and while i am always trying to help here with any issue i may be able to help with (unfortunately i don't work for korg to be able to provide more "inside" help so i m restricted to what i learnt myself or found out by looking inside my personally bought and owned keyboards) , it started taking me away from enjoyment of the keyboard itself.
It is korg who should be doing what i m trying to do anyway but i like helping others with what i can help with (i don't know everything or have all the resources or inside info so i m limited to that extend)....

Hope i didn't offend anybody as this wasn't my intention in the first place!

Take care people and enjoy your keyboards and music in general![/quote]


I love the fact that you are helpful and willing to help others with their struggles using these complex instruments . Thats admirable .

but you cant criticise customers who complain about a product that has been mis sold to them. What happened in the past were minor niggles and issues with continuity of functions from one new keyboard to the next new keyboard .

This is entirely different !

We buy these "All in one " instruments for convenience . We have great styles, great sounds , incredible editing features, a fully fledged sequencer ,a detailed sampler, all integrated into a relatively easy to use operating system and interface .

And we pay a high premium for this multi-use product. We know that each separate component part could be bought for a fraction of the cost but we pay the huge extra for that ease of use.

if you are happy to pay 100% of the cost of your keyboard upfront ,for 60% of the product now with the balance to be produced at some undefined point in time in the future at korgs choosing ,or even not at all ,then thats your choice .

But most people quite rightly are ticked off that they paid 100% for a product up front only to receive 60% of it . Where is the fully featured sequencer ? Where is the detailed editabilty to create your own styles or adapt styles to your precise tastes ?

I don't care that some may believe that this has always been the case, that there will be issues in the beginning to be worked out later. That simply tells me that they are willing to let others pay the costs , discover the bugs , complain ,have the issues corrected , or not as the case may be for them to benefit from the guinea pigs .

Customers should never have to be guinea pigs .....especially loyal customers paying a premium for a product that is meant to give hem joy.

if reading feedback (which you feel is negative) brings you down because you really enjoy the 60% of the instrument Korg graciously gave you , then simply don't read it .

Just scroll on to the positive stuff if you can find it .

I hope you understand that I am not angry at you . I am angry at Korg . Folks including me have waited 7 years for this instrument and what they have provided and how they have handled themselves is scandalous.

[Sam CA]

musiccankill is a highly technical guy and always posts info backed with test results and technical facts. The reason I'm saying all this is that when you have an experienced user, people tend to look up to that person and make decisions based on that. It happens all the time. That's where it gets a little dangerous. Luckily he's a very reasonable guy and his position on the instrument was crystal clear before anyone could even buy the Pa5x.

Having said that, I also think Korg should've sold the instrument with some type of warning in place.
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@musiccankill,

I am still working with my Pa4X, very happy with it, even despite some unfixed bugs since the first day even with OS Next but it didn't stop me to gig 2 or 3 times per week regularly.

Agreed completely with what you said.
It's a pleasure to have the knowledgeable and honest people like you and many other members here in our forum.

I hope Korg reads these posts and learns lessons regarding Pa5X and as I've already mentioned in a post, collaborates with
our knowledgeable members here for any keyboard arranger testing or improvement, etc...

[samk323]

I agree on both sides. I love Korg products, and I know that any new instrument that comes out, no matter what brand is expected to have bugs. But like everyone said, Korg should have at least mention the issues users are experiencing, and that an update or something is on the way to resolve the bugs.

[Asena]

Well Musiccankill, You are the one who always help us here, So Respect.
Korg is KORG, we need to undarstand that even the 3 X has the Bugs not fixed 100%.


There is One thing we miss here, The person behind all this , SHARP, If we did not have a place like this, What would we do then?
I mean, No one else responds,

Like some one says it here , KORG, say something, Thats best for you.
To much silence is not good...
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[Blazenko]

I don't understand the following situation.

The Korg Pa1000 is currently not available, at least in Germany, and when asked, the dealers say that this has to do with the global supply bottlenecks for electronic components.
That should also affect the Pa5X.

So why the heck is Korg releasing an unfinished (and unavailable) product in such a difficult situation?

Korg could easily have taken a few more months to improve the operating system and then released a solid Pa5X.

In the meantime, the operating system of the Pa1000 and Pa4X could have been improved or expanded to keep customers happy...
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[davekalbach]

As I read all of these messages - and thank you to Musiccankill for the topic post.

I really have to say - I'm glad I purchased my 5X. I don't perform for a living and therefore I can live with these bugs/deficiencies as the OS grows.

But this brings me back to something a friend of mine in the computer industry said to me.

(Paraphrased) - Never download the new releases on your products, iPhone, Mac, Windows, etc. Wait a few weeks and look at the reviews before downloading - people always find bugs the developer didn't...

Now - this isn't a Musical Instrument developer we are talking about here. These are the BIG Boys in the world of computers. If ALL of their new releases have bugs after their extensive testing - how can we hold KORG's feet so close to the fire?

Personally I believe these are just growing pains. I'd rather KORG put the instrument in the hands of the user, so we can help them refine it and USE it NOW, than have KORG waited another year to launch the keyboard with fewer bugs, as there still would have been bugs they didn't catch.
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