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AntonySharmman

New Pa5X Highlights

- 8Gb compressed Ram for user samples plus 4Gb compressed memory of local samples
with streaming from on board Nand Ram
- 30.060 samples positions at current OS (doubled) , stereo sample takes one position.
- 21 seconds max duration of stereo imported samples (4.096 Mb)
- Sampling data are splitted when saved at 167 PCM files at current OS (from 100 of Pax)
- Over 10 GBs of factory samples with addons from Kronos sound libraries (3 times bigger than Pa4X).
- New EDS-XP sound engine with 24 Stereo Oscillators per Sound (from 24 mono of Pa4X)
that are shared 3 DNC controllers (main DNC2 engine is still the same as in Pa4X)
- 160 notes polyphony / 160 OSC (while in Pa4X stereo pair Multisamples is 128/2 = 64 )
- You can create as many Styles , PAD & KBD SET User Banks you like for first time in PaSeries , and you can name User Banks
and contents in multi-language form and with more letter characters.
- 10 insert effects (max 3 per track) and 3 master effects per Style (8 tracks)
- 3 insert effects / 3 master effects per KBD set
- New Finalizer effect added of 4 parametric EQ , plus Hi Pass & Low pass , plus Limiter / compressor that can be
assigned in every style and create separate dynamics compared to old global Maxx EQ.
- New updated and enhanced Vocal Processor with ability of simultaneous 6 effects
- Graphical improvement of effects and compressors and their interface with more clarity and better overal
stereo-phony of EDS-XP sound engine with 4 additional Audio Outputs
- Dual players of 2 Independence styles or any , with XDS crossfade control
- Smooth Sound Transition (SST)
- Applied round-robin feature in DKs , 8 velocity layers and up to 4 round-robin (not applied at user samples)
- Improved Drawbar Organ interface and controllers
- New advanced chord sequencer with graphical view on screen and many user options.
- 16 slot matrix which allows you to mute up till 16 elements in your style or song
- 16 matrix multi-pads in 4 related groups and new controllers assignment using sliders
- Matrix is still under development where extra insert effects editor page for Pads/samples will be added soon !
- Extra small LCD screen for multi sliders functions.
- 3 pedal inputs with Half-pedal support
- Guitar input with gain and guitar effects via effects interface
- Favorite mode with available 11 KBD sets that can be used in every Style
- Direct SET as a function do not exist anymore , since you can browse directly to any KST folder with Styles/KBD Set and will work as older
Direct SET of Pa4X , as usual without custom samples & custom SOUND folders that will never change in PaSeries if not loaded & preloaded in Ram.
- Now you can create manually any new extra bank you need for Styles or Keyboard Sets with just adding a folder and name it as you like in many
languages , although SOUND banks are still 6 plus 3 DK banks as in Pa4X.
- Double resolution screen compared to Pa4X , 800x480
- 3 USB 3.0 ports , 1 HDMI , RGB leds
- New loading/saving interface with partial elements where .SET resources folder has been changed to .KST , where only STY , PRF and PAD files have
to be converted to new Pa5X format for loading , while SOUND , PCM & MULTISMP folders with KMP (& compressed) ,PCM & PCG files format of older
PaSeries can be directly loaded and converted to new stereo KMP format and when saved to .KST folder , they will be no more compatible with older PaSeries.
- Many improved sounds & DKs using new EDS-XP sound engine
- 88 weighted Keybed edition
- User Samples loading time is much faster using fast mSD slot and
- More CPU power (AM5728 Arm Proc is twice faster than Pa4X) that can support double effect slots than Pa4X.

As expected , by far the best sounding Pro Arranger and hardware sampler in the market

- Older Pa & mSD encryption is no longer supported and a new one will be added later with OS Update on 2023.
- KAOSS & Midi to style and full sequencer will be implemented later on 2023
- EC5 port do not exist anymore but midi controlled pedals like FCB1010 are a better option.

BTW New owners of Pa5X , the fact that you can't find functions or editors that does not mean that they do not exist !
Also Pa5X should had a new brand name since it's an entirely new arranger and not a continuation of the Pa4X but IMHO
a Korg - Yamaha mixture arranger with new STG styles format and new PCM true stereo format for first time for a Korg sampler.
All above specs are not speculations but remarks that were made after deep examining of UI code & the overall hardware potentials.
The whole interface is designed from scratch and you have to explore it deeper and is still in development.
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daddy · Joined: 08 Mar 2012 Posts: 40

Can 24bit / 48KHz or only 16bit / 48KHz samplers be loaded as in the other PA series models?

AntonySharmman · Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:15 pm Post subject:

Same KSC/KMP loading protocol until saved to new stereo version KMP in KST folder of Pa5X , the first Korg keyboard
without stereo pair samples management , that is treated as a monolithic stereo KMP file.
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daddy · Joined: 08 Mar 2012 Posts: 40

Asena · Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:38 pm Post subject:

Thank you Anthony abi this was beter than the infos from Korg💪
I have just one question about it !
You mentioned that the sf2 loading is similar to the Kronos series,
So basically can I load the sf2 with 6 elements/Layers at once?
Or does it split it like before to individuall layers and load one at the time and than we have to collect all again in the internal sampler editor to make all layers be fixed from scratch like in the Pa4X!
Take care and thank you again.
Yasssooooo
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AntonySharmman · Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:11 pm Post subject:

Asena , I have never loaded SF2 in Pa4X and the Pro SF2 I had tried on Kronos were just a crap with lack of layers
adjustments and properties , so I expect the same on Pa5X since now it can manage stereo OSCs as Kronos does.
Never expect a hardware sampler to properly translate all parameters of a complex SF2 ... you have to do it yourself
rebuilding Layers and converting them properly.
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Asena · Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:19 pm Post subject:

Thank you for your reply

Kronos can load it, but like you say, you have to fix all again.

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AntonySharmman · Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:31 pm Post subject:

Yep , wasting of time loading SF2 in Korg models ...

As concerned to your reference about Kronos Legato , kronos has the crap legato of Triton series and
actually this is not legato but portamento , don't be fooled !
Pa4X had already 2 real legato detection & orientation while Kronos had none !
Pa5X has 3 DNC legato controllers where you can apply VST legato simulation for first time in a hardware
sampler using real legato samples of a string instrument ...
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daddy · Joined: 08 Mar 2012 Posts: 40

I use legato+time portamento on monofonic sounds both on Kronos and PA4x(like mono portamento on Yamaha DX). I love the way it works on Kronos, but on PA4x it works very, very bad. There is improvements of this in PA5x?

AntonySharmman · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:30 am Post subject:

nonchai · Joined: 27 Apr 2019 Posts: 15

"- 8Gb compressed Ram for user samples (5Gb at current OS) plus 4Gb compressed memory of local samples
with streaming from on board Nand Ram
- 30.060 samples positions at current OS (doubled)
- Over 10 GBs of factory samples with addons from Kronos sound libraries " ??

Is this ( specially the 10GB of factory samples ) verified or verifiable? ?

Sources please.

And are you saying that - for the first time in an arranger - we have on-board disk streaming sampler technology (combined with that NAND ROM acting as the leading edge sample buffers) similar to Kronos, Nautilus, GigaSampler, Halion and Kontakt etc??

If so why didnt the KORG reps make more of a fuss about it? the move to disk streaming tech ( where one is able to use the much bigger capacity of SSD ( nand ) type disks instead of the older memory-addressable ROM found in all romplers to this day..

And it true - given the PA5x support external SSDs - and given these allow huger sample capacity than the expensive onboard ( memory addressable like RAM ) ROM - ie Gigabytes rather than Megabytes - this suggests that in future the firmware in the 5x would be able to support adding more sample libraries off the kinds of sizes of Nautilus ?KRONOS, Kontakt etc...

If all this is true - happy days - but if true I'd also have expected the KORG reps and demonstrators and blurb to have shouted this from the rooftops..

unless.. KORG don't want the Nautilus/Kronos-like ability of this new beast to somehow eat into the market for Nautilus. ( Which I think would be shallow short sighted thinking anyway - let the dice roll as they may - some will want an arranger type of form factor - others a workstation form factor..

Actually thinking more about this - It suggests technically that by storing the leading edge sample date in ROM - this would shorten boot up time and make the instruments ( big sample size pianos for example ) able to be used straight away - unlike on KRONOS/NAUTILUS and Kontakt - because in typical streaming samplers the leading edge sample data has to be leaded into RAM before the instrument will play.

By using memory addressable ROM this preloading step is eliminated - but OTOH it does mean that possibly this disk-streaming thing is just limited to the INTERNAL instruments who's samples are factory loaded (or "burnt in") into the onboard memory addressable ROM (as opposed to RAM).

It could be however that KORG PA engineers have been forward thinking enough to allow user or third party *streaming* sample instruments to be used in future- and stereamed from the removable SSD - but in that case the leading edge sample data would have to be loaded into a RAM area - and this takes time. So in other words user streaming instruments can be used but there would be a small wait when loading such instruments - just as for Kontakt instruments for example.

I do hope this is the case. But maybe this is a step too far and KORG chose NOT to do this - as it would make the PA5x too close in sample expandability and quality ( ie user loaded instruments sized in GB not MB ) to Nautilus for KORGS own peace of mind...

daddy · Joined: 08 Mar 2012 Posts: 40

AntonySharmman · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:36 am Post subject:

nonchai

- Larger than 10Gb , only 4 factory pianos borrowed from Kronos and others are over 6 Gb.
- Disk streaming technology was applied in Pa4X Next OS for first time , still the same with more Nand Ram on board.
- Pa4X/Pa5X Arm processor interface do not support Sata port in order to use SSD that has the required speed for streaming , USB
to HD only converter was used in Pa4X and speed is not sufficient that's why they had used on board Ram for factory & external samples.
Topology is still the same in Pa5X and very close to Kronos/Nautilus.
- Never compare software samples like Kontakt , they're using open source script and this will not be available in hardware samplers for over a decade.
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AntonySharmman · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:43 am Post subject:

nonchai · Joined: 27 Apr 2019 Posts: 15

[quote="AntonySharmman"]- Larger than 10Gb , only 4 factory pianos borrowed from Kronos and others are over 6 Gb.
- Disk streaming technology was applied in Pa4X Next OS for first time , still the same with more Nand Ram on board.
- Pa4X/Pa5X Arm processor interface do not support Sata port in order to use SSD that has the required speed for streaming , USB
to HD only converter was used in Pa4X and speed is not sufficient that's why they had used on board Ram for factory & external samples.
Topology is still the same in Pa5X and very close to Kronos/Nautilus.
[/quote]

Ah thanks for the clarification. I didn't know that they already had streaming ( for internal instruments in the PA4x ). Interesting!

<" still the same with more Nand Ram on board.">

I've been wondering ( daydreaming ) when NORD would finally do something like this - it seems such an obvious move in times when DAW plugins have been able to run Huge GV sample libraries for decades now..

Still its a move in the right direction - shame users won't be able to use or buy those nice huge third party sample instruments though - would be so useful for orchestral composing..

But I actually think a better approach would be / have been - to design in some seamless architecture that connects to - say MainStage or a DAW - to allow the keyboard to select presets from ~VST plugin instruments .

FANTOM supports this kind of thing very well.