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[Koekepan]

I'll be frank.

KORG are on a hiding to nowhere with this.

For the exact same retail price as the 61-key Nautilus, give or take a gumball from the machine on the way in the door, I can get a Kurzweil PC4 with 88 keys.

Samples? Check. Advanced synthesis? Check. (As an aside, if you think you've plumbed the depths of their V.A.S.T. engine, look again because you haven't.) Sliders? 9 of them. Knobs? 9 again. Aftertouch? Yep. Pedal connections? Four of them.

What does the Nautilus bring in that space? A joystick rather than two wheels for pitchbend and expression? OK, whatever. A touchscreen? That is not good, especially not with the touchscreen that they're offering. Linear sequencing? So does the PC4. Want 88 keys, that's another $700. Want aftertouch, go buy something else because the Nautilus doesn't do that. But the PC4 will at least display a piano roll representation of events on the linear sequencer while you edit them.

Oh, and the PC4, 88 key weighs about as much as the 61 key Nautilus. But the Nautilus has MIDI thru! That must explain the extra weight ...

Does nobody in KORG actually do anything like comparison shopping? Seriously?

If I were to buy a workstation tomorrow with two grand and change in my pocket, strong contenders would include an MPC of some sort, something from Kurzweil, and possibly something arranger-like from Casio, depending on my exact needs (don't laugh, the Casio step sequencer is more useful for live performance than you might imagine, even if I have to bring along a sound module to replace its internal samples).

Notice who's not on that list? KORG. And right now I'm sitting in arm's reach of two KORG workstations in my studio.

[Bachus]

Lets hope korg can bring the updates and new things in the software to the Kronos. Maybe a new Kronos with like 3 new engines (wavestate, organ, arp2600) and a step upwards to modern 64 bit os and multi core hardware..

Would love to have those arps in adition to the Karma...
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[Musicwithharry]

My take on the Nautilus?

It looks good and seems to bridge the gap between the Krome and the Kronos. The features look great, even if it is missing some of what may be integral features (the faders immediately come to mind). Without the faders, convincingly playing the C3 emulations is going to be hard unless you have an external fader controller.

I did listen to a YT video, maybe from Loopop, that the USB in the keyboard allows for the use of a hub and you can use a QWERTY keyboard with the Nautilus. Maybe that would be true with a mouse too. The last board that I saw that allowed for that (not through USB though, I think) was a Roland Fantom. I wonder if you can hook up an external monitor to the Nautilus. Granted, you would not have the touch screen functionality, but at least a bigger monitor, AND the keyboard and mouse (hopefully) compatibility, would bridge the gap between a hardware unit and a softsynth/DAW type setup.

I wonder if Stephen Kay will design a software version of Karma for the Nautilus. The last Korg to have that, to my knowledge, was the M50...

I see the Nautilus as a unit that could sell well and give you the sounds of the Kronos in a cheaper package. I think that the price is too high though. Drop it down a few hundred more bucks, and they probably would not be able to make enough of them.


Grace,
Harry
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[GregC]

[voip]

[Musicwithharry]

[Koekepan]

GregC:

Yeah, I'm with you on the visual aspect. Can't see it, can't use it. This is why I can't use the Synthstrom Deluge (which otherwise looks like a great tool) - I can't differentiate the colours.

I'm not sure what the state of external streaming is with the Kurzweil, but they have an available internal 2GB for user data, which is quite a bit - but that may just be for instruments, I don't know.

[SeedyLee]

[voip]

Yes, there is an "external" software (PC/Mac) version of Karma for the Kronos.

https://www.karma-lab.com/karmasoft/karmasoft.html

There is no way of increasing Kronos' internal Karma modules, short of Korg issuing a new OS (probably not going to happen, though it would be a pleasant surprise if it did).

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[lidserter]

I really like the Nautilus and feel that it's the product that bridges correctly between Kronos and Kross. Krome doesn't count (no sampling, audio input, audio recorder...)
Nautilus is right for the price, I would have preferred it with aftertouch, but prefer the RH3 keybed rather than NH with AT. And all sums and seems a pretty workhorse for the price. 1200 difference from Kronos 88 (without rebate), seems right to say bye bye AT, faders...
I would own one for sure.
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[GregC]

disclaimer- I have no insider info or secret sources.

2021 trends with Kronos and Nautilus:

- 'early adopters ' are pre-ordering Nautilus now
- the Korg marketing machine will kick in, JR and pro's will rave/gush over
Nautilus
- there will be a herd of buyers as Nautilus sells out and is back ordered in Spring/2021.

- 80% of potential new Korg buyers will choose Nautilus over new Kronos
- Half of Kronos owners will keep their K's, buy a Nautilus and have an " all about Korg " rig
- Other half of Kronos owners will offer their K's on eBay and Reverb, as they receive their Nautilus, thus there will be a large used quantity of K's to buy
- increased supply of used K's online ='s reduced used used price
- Korg will eventually EOL Kronos, possibly late 2021 or 2022

- Nautilus will be the new King of work stations
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[Jan1]

[lidserter]

Kronos is superior. It proudly keeps the flagship title. I don't see how Kronos users would ditch their K's for something inferior. Nautilus is a middle yet high end keyboard, but not a flagship. K3 is coming, and if used market is flooded by K2s it wont be because of Nautilus, but for K3 expectations, I believe.
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[GregC]

[GregC]