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D575 · Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:22 am Post subject: Yamaha CS-80

https://www.gearnews.com/yamaha-asks-if-wed-like-to-see-the-return-of-the-cs-80-analogue-polysynth/
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ponkine · Junior Member Joined: 10 Mar 2019 Posts: 95

If I was Yamaha, I'd take the legendary CS 80 to a new level

That's why it was so iconic, because it was a new level of synth back in 1976

- 2 layers
- 8 voice polyphonic
- settings memory
- both velocity sensitive and aftertouch
- Ribbon controller
- etc

Of course a plain reissue is impractical. Its weight was 100 kg! (220 lb) and it had a lot of stability issues, becaues of heating and other problems

If I had to add something as "hybrid", that would be string machine. NOT the DX7, because it belongs to a completely different era, has NOTHING to do with the CS 80, it's digital and all its presets and FM technology have been copied to death. It's the most overrated synth ever (needless to say, the most dreadful, cheesy and dated ever)

I'd add an hybrid from the SK 30, and functions like split (with independient volume, octave and effects), mono/poly, more presets, delay, reverb, etc

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dfahrner · Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:06 pm Post subject:

..if I never get to hear another "classic" analog synth with the resonant filter going "wah - wah - wah" or "wow - wow - wow", that's OK with me...

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ponkine · Junior Member Joined: 10 Mar 2019 Posts: 95

It seems Behringer will be cloning the CS80, which of course will make it available at a much better price than any Yamaha effort

They just posted this at their official facebook

Jan1 · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 765

Now that Behringer intends to re-create the CS80 I don't see the point of Yamaha doing the same especially when you consider the cost involved.
With all the analog components it's going to be a big challenge to bring the weight of this new CS80 down.
Maybe a good digital emulation would do the trick, but that is not going to make the hearts of analog purists beat any faster.
If Yamaha is looking at the past for inspiration, the company has so many other (successful) products and technologies they can bring into the present, why not focus on that instead?

John01W · Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:23 am Post subject:

Sharp · Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 10:04 am Post subject:

Can't wait for "Innovation" to come back into fashion.
All this old recycled gear makes me sad.

Sharp.

GregC · Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 2:02 pm Post subject:

I hear you.

While most of the so called tech industry is moving forward, many of our well known MI co's are moving backwards with their 'new' or repackaged products.

I think 98% of product decisions are motivated by money and market share[ a real shocker, for sure]

IOW, the short cut path to a bunch of initial sales is to play the sentimental nostalgia strategy for keyboard/synth owners.
If the 'strategy ' gets traction, the inevitable followers jump on the bandwagon.

Back in the days of covered wagons, these same MI co's would use their resources to actually invent/create new sound sources. This was called 'taking product risk'.
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ponkine · Junior Member Joined: 10 Mar 2019 Posts: 95

GregC · Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 4:15 pm Post subject:

ponkine · Junior Member Joined: 10 Mar 2019 Posts: 95

I don't think it's an obsession. More a kind of relief and freedom from the laptops slavery

And in the long term, hardware synths are way more useful and have better value than any VST

How many VST from 10 years ago do people use?. Probably ZERO. Same with laptops and ipads. No one use a laptop from 10 years ago

But in good condition, you can perfectly use a hardware synth or keyboard from 20, 30 or even 40+ years ago

Very Happy

GregC · Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:54 pm Post subject:

Bachus · Platinum Member Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3126

Personally, i would not trade in the orriginal for my Arturia CS80v

why?

Modulation added by Arturian, and all the other things a good daw can add..
I can recreate the orriginal sound. And improve it..
And it all fits in my macbook.

Now if only someone made a polyphonic aftertouch keyboard with ribbon..

Yet on the other side, the cs80 together with the jupiter 8 are my favorite vintage poly synths.. and you know why? .. both where developed with emulating acoustic instruments in mind.. this gives both a harmonic melodic very warm sound,.. in opposite to many modern synths where most people don’t get further then crackling noise and some beeps..
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ponkine · Junior Member Joined: 10 Mar 2019 Posts: 95

ponkine · Junior Member Joined: 10 Mar 2019 Posts: 95

As promised here is our DS-80 design draft;

Multi-Timbral 8-Voice Polyphonic
Analog Synthesizer with Dual Channels
per Voice, Polyphonic Aftertouch,
Ribbon Controller and Patch Memory

We want to be absolutely clear that this a very complex synthesizer project and it is at a very early stage. It will take us a long time to complete, however we are committed to deliver.

Why are we showing you this project at such an early stage? We believe that including you in the design process from the very beginning while help us and the synthesizer community to create a better product - and that's all that matters to us.
Thank you for your participation and now let us hear your feedback... Uli