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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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ChrisDuncan wrote: | If Kronos is a PC, then my laptop has some really funny looking keys. |
Chris, you still get credit for the idea. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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ChrisDuncan Senior Member
Joined: 17 May 2018 Posts: 389
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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And I wonder how I always seem to get a reputation... _________________ Studio: Cubase 13 | Windows 10 | Yamaha TF5 | Mackie MCU | CMC AI, QC
Keyboard Station: Kronos 2 88 | Fantom 7 | JV 2080 | Cubase 13 | Windows 10 | Focusrite 18i20 | CMC TP
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karmathanever Platinum Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10399
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:17 am Post subject: |
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If Kronos is a PC, then why do I never get a "blue screen"? _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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Schmooster Full Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 239
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:16 am Post subject: |
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It’s not a ‘PC’ - it’s a bespoke embedded system dedicated to a specific task and only that task, this makes it faster and far more stable because the OS is also bespoke and specific to the task - it’s a bit of a misconception to think of it as a PC but that’s due to the historical naming in the early days when they actually were stock PC components but still used bespoke coding and booted from a flash card for example.
It’s far more than a ‘Just a PC’ - or far less depending on your perspective; the main point is that it’s programmed for a specific purpose unique to the device it controls. You wouldn’t want it for a PC. A PC is whatever you want it to be, and often used for many varied tasks - the embedded version is stripped of everything that is unnecessary thus making it far more efficient and stable. |
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KK Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2016 Posts: 1422
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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The Kronos is not only a PC.
It is instead the only PC, which stands for Perfect Clavier. |
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matro Junior Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2015 Posts: 58
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:49 am Post subject: |
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karmathanever wrote: | If Kronos is a PC, then why do I never get a "blue screen"? |
Linux don't produce "blue screens" like Windows.
The core hardware, moderboard, CPU, SSD, etc is definitely PC compatible, you could boot Windows on those components.
This does not make the Kronos a "PC".
/Mathias |
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Yuma Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2011 Posts: 659 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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If the Kronos is just a PC, then humans are just meatbags to move poop from A to B. _________________ || My music ■■ How to embed Youtube and Soundcloud on this forum ||
|| Korg Kronos 61 (with upgrade kit) ■■ Korg PadKontrol ■■ Cubase 5 || |
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Liviou2004 Platinum Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2017 Posts: 1150 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:18 am Post subject: |
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If Korg is only a PC, try to play a Chopin's waltz on a QWERTY keyboard |
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Joe Gerardi Platinum Member
Joined: 06 Oct 2012 Posts: 534 Location: Savannah, GA
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:35 am Post subject: |
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A Kronos is a PC like a refrigerator is a PC;
A Kronos is a PC like a car is a PC;
A Kronos is a PC like a cellphone is a PC;
ad nauseum.
Just because a device has a processor in it does NOT make it a PC, the same way that just because a person has a brain does not mean he has intelligence.
..Joe _________________ Current setup: Korg Kronos 61, Roland XV-88 Korg Triton-Rack, Motif-Rack, Korg N1r, Roland M-GS64, Alesis QSR, Yamaha KX88 & KX76, Roland Super-JX, Juno-Stage, Kawai K4, Kawai K1II. |
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X-Trade Moderator
Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 6494 Location: Leeds, UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:03 am Post subject: |
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I was having this exact discussion with someone the other day. It drives me mad.
Korg went and decided to build a synthesizer workstation. The fact that they chose to use an x86 platform to run it all does not make it the same as a general computing device. There are loads of 'embedded' device solutions that use an x86 cpu and board. Including vending machines and ATMs. Hell, some ATMs even run Windows. The 'computer' part is just a component that makes up a larger product, and ultimately it is a vessel to run the software that Korg spent years or R&D on. This applies to all other digital synths too; they just happen to not use parts you can buy off the shelf in a computer store.
If Kronos were a PC, you'd have to log in when you turn it on, and you would have to load up the software you want to use for that session. You'd probably have to manage a bunch of plugins, update them one by one, and always have to remember which plugin it was that has 'that' particular EP sound you are looking for today (for example). And then at the end of your project you would go to hit 'save' and it would crash back to the desktop
And then you'd be able to go give up and play Minecraft on it. _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro |
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xCDx Junior Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:56 am Post subject: |
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If Kronos is just a pc THEN a car is just a piece of junk. |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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X-Trade wrote: | I was having this exact discussion with someone the other day. It drives me mad.
Korg went and decided to build a synthesizer workstation. The fact that they chose to use an x86 platform to run it all does not make it the same as a general computing device. There are loads of 'embedded' device solutions that use an x86 cpu and board. Including vending machines and ATMs. Hell, some ATMs even run Windows. The 'computer' part is just a component that makes up a larger product, and ultimately it is a vessel to run the software that Korg spent years or R&D on. This applies to all other digital synths too; they just happen to not use parts you can buy off the shelf in a computer store.
If Kronos were a PC, you'd have to log in when you turn it on, and you would have to load up the software you want to use for that session. You'd probably have to manage a bunch of plugins, update them one by one, and always have to remember which plugin it was that has 'that' particular EP sound you are looking for today (for example). And then at the end of your project you would go to hit 'save' and it would crash back to the desktop
And then you'd be able to go give up and play Minecraft on it. |
I agree 100%. For years, I have been pushing back on this (only a PC) misconception. I think the misconception can confuse new K owners.
I have mostly said the K is specialized (embedded?) software device running Linux. Somehow this does not always get thru to those who are strictly hardware component oriented.
Anyway, this topic is a funny wind up. The faulty analogy per the title
has been an old beer can thoroughly kicked down the street. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
Achieve your musical dreams
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Liviou2004 Platinum Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2017 Posts: 1150 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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We could add that if Kronos was only a PC, all digital synth PCs too !
As a matter of fact, all digital synths are based on a software. Whether it is saved in an Integrated Circuit or into a SSD, it doesn't matter. In both cases it's a software. |
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tdwctdwc Full Member
Joined: 31 Mar 2012 Posts: 217
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of X-Trade's mention of plugins, i will share something.
Years after i bought the Kronos, i dove deep into the plugins world (still do). There's not a single piano library i didn't buy, acoustic guitar vsti, amp sims, electric guitar libraries, strings libraries (those are pricey) and so on.
While those plugins sound great and maybe some of them are better in emulating real instruments than the Kronos, but while using them i felt like touching my right ear with my left hand if you know what i mean. Turning on the computer, launching my DAW, Launching a plugin, loading kontakt, loading a library into kontakt ....all this was blocking the instant magical connection we all look for when inspiration hits and you need something real quick to translate it to.
Furthermore, every single person i let him/her hear the same instrumentation of a track made on both Kronos and by using plugins, preferred the Kronos version better.
It took me a long time to find out that with Kronos, not only we have a great sounding living breathing instrument, but we also have the best secret weapon "plugin" that everyone will ask you about and say: "Hey what plugin did you use on this track? it sounds amazing!".
With that said, i think it's time for Korg to release the successor. It's been long overdue and enough milking the cow for 8 years. It's about time.
2019 maybe? I hope! _________________ A preview of my upcoming solo piano album: https://youtu.be/Cj9a_xATx-g |
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