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Bachus · Platinum Member Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3126

https://youtu.be/tl9I4moBwFQ

The next plug out from Roland for their aira range...
The idea behind this is ingenious..

Kevin Nolan · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:53 am Post subject:

It sounds absolutely nothing like a Juno106. Incredibly poor emulation!

spaceman3 · Platinum Member Joined: 25 Jan 2015 Posts: 520

I know im a butthole for saying this,
but if it is possible for a synth to sound not musical and sterile.
This synth gets the prize.
I like the idea behind it.
I just do not like the sound of it.
Perhaps im wrong.
Just my opinion.
Razz

RC-IA · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:19 am Post subject:

Owned it since several weeks, amazing synth, sound is so good. Concerning juno106 emulation, i don't have a juno right here to compare, and would say i don't care so much, but the so called juno106 in system 8 sounds incredibly on its own (meaning that i not looking at it as a juno emu), so limited and so good in the same way...
This System 8 made me return to roland after decades....
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EvilDragon · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:40 am Post subject:

TAL did a much better job at emulating the Juno-106.

Kevin Nolan · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:43 am Post subject:

RC-IA · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:43 am Post subject:

Kevin Nolan · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:48 pm Post subject:

Don't get me wrong - it sounds like a really good plugout. I really like it. And it sounds similar - but - there were definitely differences - I was surprised to hear a very "plugin / VA" vibe off of it - the Juno 106 definitely doesn't have that. I do know the Juno106 exceedingly well - I've used it on many, many projects since 1985 - so I really know it inside out. The oscillators sound different, and the filter character sounds very different. Regarding the envelopes - the differences may be in their response to turning knobs to moving faders so I can't claim the Envelopes are particularly different - just sound that way from the demos. The chorus he switched on just didn't sound like a juno 106 chorus to me.

I just bought a JU-06 - and have only powered it on and tried it once - but it seems to sound closer to the original (very close in fact) - so the last two System8 Juno106 plugout demos I've watched have surprised me to be honest - I would have expected the JU-06 and the System8 Juno 106 to be the same model and sound the same, but they don't (from these demos).

Perhaps it is 'added stuff' the System 8 can give, and if trimmed down, would sound closer - I'm only going on two sets of demos.

But let me repeat - I'm not looking to knock it as a quality plugout - it sounds exquisite - and I'm not saying that to contradict myself or appease your purchase - some of the pads that guy played were frankly warmer and more useable than the Juno can deliver without external effects.

I'd love to get my hands on it and try it in person - for now there are clear differences to me - but as said I have no problem admitting I like it a lot.

RC-IA · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:51 pm Post subject:

I understand kevin, i don't get you wrong. Maybe in S8 the sound is too much hi quality. There 's a " condition " parameter in the system menu that should emulate age or something.
Definitively check this this s8 out when you can 🙂
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spaceman3 · Platinum Member Joined: 25 Jan 2015 Posts: 520

While taking a break from working on midi stuff.
I watched some more utube videos of the system 8.
I miss judged this synth.
It sounded pretty darned good on some of the other videos, as compared to the first video i viewed.

jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

I agree with Dragon: TAL does a much better job at emulating the classic Junos.

For my ears the whole system 8 does not have great VA modelling. The synths are still well useable - just not well suited as replacements for the originals they try to emulate. Similar for the boutique series.

The JDXA does a much better job at sounding analog, even in mixed analog/digital mode.
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skinmechanic · Junior Member Joined: 15 Apr 2015 Posts: 59

I've had the System 8 for about two months now. When I first got it, the first few weeks I just wanted to get rid of it. However I've spent a little more time with it and the following I found;

System 8 Synth Engine;

This synth engine sounds very thin and sterile (I think others have said the same). It's great for bright synth sounds but it isn't any different from the System-1 synth engine which again is a low cost VA with four voices, the only thing the System 8 version add's is more voices, and the side chain filter from the V-Synth which unless your doing very harsh distorted sounds isn't worth using beyond that.

Jupiter 8 Plugout;

The patches programmed don't use a lot of the built in effects and so the patches sound more like the JP08 boutique I say that because I've never had a Jupiter 8 so if anyone has discovered that the JP08 is similar to the original then so is this version. However again for me it sounds too familiar maybe because I've used a lot of self made Jupiter 8 patches with the Jupiter 8V plugin and the Jupiter 8 filter within the SNS engine on the Integra-7. Pads and bright sounding patches i've managed to re-create without an issue and I cannot tell any difference between the SNS waveforms and patches on the Integra-7 or the System 8 plugout version. The difference is in the bass sounds, they've done something to the ACB technology that allows for warmer bottom end type sounds.

Juno 106 Plugout;

Interestingly I find this plug-out to be the best sounding out of the three not because of it sounds like the original but just the character of it. My friend has a Juno 106 and we did some A/B testing and I can tell you without effects on it sounds the same in our eyes, so they've done a good job in that respect. Maybe the way to program this plug-out is to build the sounds with No effects at all. The plug out does include the two chorus types from the original synth which you access from the first effect stack which is normally used for the distortion sounds on the Sys 8. One of them does sound like the original the other not so much.

Overall the System 8 is a nice synth, a few drawbacks overall it's slightly expensive overall and it needs to be nearer the price point of the DeepMind 12 which in the UK is £999. This synth should have aftertouch it's begging for it to be there and I normally don;t bother with Aftertouch whatsoever.

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EvilDragon · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:45 pm Post subject:

Screw that, DeepMind-12 sounds awesome!

Oldretro · Junior Member Joined: 20 Apr 2012 Posts: 91