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[amit]

Labor is cheap but not free, and the Labor factor affects both products,
Their ROI (return of investment) is quite good with v/a / digital as over all cost comes down quite a bit. The thing to note here is the "mass production volume" that drives the prices quite low. I know this seems absurd, that technically advanced electronics costs much less than the vintage counterparts.

With Chips, you can have millions of components inside for a very low cost, however in discrete you have to account for each component that builds the system,however cheap that might be.
This also brings many more points of failures etc, so they also account for those much more in the cost. But you can never discount the factor of profit margin, They seek real profit in the premium segment, they expect people to dish out that lot of cash for it as opposed to a digital which they sell in volume mainly to counter competition and market segment.

Same is true with valve/tube Guitar Amplifiers. Any decent tube amp will set you back at least $800-1000, however a digital emulation having 30 amps and good load could cost $100-$200).
There was a time when you would avoid products mad in china, but now days their overall quality has improved a lot, especially with big players.

Behringer is getting into a lot of things lately: Acquiring Bugera Amps, Tannoy , TC elec...
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[spaceman3]

Analogue synths are also expensive cause they are old tech that is bieng manufactured less and less.
That stuff is getting harder to get.
Are analogue synths reliable?
No.
Years from now most digital synths will still be going strong, but most analogues will be broken down, unless you can aford the expensive upkeep.
Plus expense goes a little to hype.
There is no magic componet in analogue synths that makes them better
than digital synths.
I would bet dollars to doughnuts, if a poll were taken of every synth player in the world.
Not everyone would agree the moog has the best universaly excepted bass sound or whatever sound.
There would be different analogue,and digital preferences across the board. (pun intended).

[aron]

If you look at the failures of most analog synths, the sheer number of electrolytic and tantalum capacitors are the problem. That is why these keyboards are breaking down and having problems. Along with that.... trim pots.
Digital keyboards have electrolytic capacitors in the power supply and these go bad just like analog synths.
Some older analog synths have hard to find obsolete parts. Like my MicroMoog power supply voltage regulator.
If they can solve the electrolytic problem - use mostly film etc... that part is probably taken care of. Make the power supply easily changed or worked on, that's another.
People, plug your analogs in every so many months and leave them on for a while - do not put them in storage turned off for years.... that's how many of mine broke.
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[Jan1]

I have to say that I truly appreciate the way Behringer's CEO, Uli Behringer, interacts with everyone and requests feedback on what people would like to see.
Usually the product specialists and demonstrators are the ones hired for that job, but here the head of the company is involved and it shows his commitment to making this new synth division work.

[EXer]

[Kevin Nolan]

[SanderXpander]

I'll be interested to hear the DCOs. There's a definite difference between the DCOs in my JX10 and Alpha Juno 2 and the VCOs in my Voyager and Micro, all other obvious differences aside. I didn't really like the Prophet 08 either when it came out, it's DCO too I think? How about the newer Prophet 6? I like that one a lot.

[jimknopf]

I don't know enough about the technical details of DCOs vs VCOsm and everything in between (stabilising VCOs with digital tools).

But to me, like to Sander, from those synths I know, those with VCOs have been the definitely better sounding (to my ears) so far. They just tend to deliver a somewhat much more organic, less sterile sound in connection with filter settings.

Anyways, there's no reason why there shouldn't be an exception to that rule while everthing is developing. To me the technical aspects are of limited importance, as long as my ears say "Yes!".

We will be able to have a good listen to the new synth soon, and since there is enough analog stuff to deal with already, we won't feel bored even for a second in the meantime.
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[Broadwave]

It looks like Behringer are also considering a desktop unit


https://www.gearslutz.com/board/12048757-post2894.html


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[SanderXpander]

Fair points, and I was definitely planning on checking out the Behringer!

[amit]

been considering a minilogue, hope this hits the market soon enough too , can only buy one ;(
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[jeremykeys]

I know straight out that this is just nit picking but I wish they had chosen rotary pots instead of sliders. That for me was one of the main reasons that I went with a Korg Polysix instead of a Juno 106 if I have my names right.

It's just a thing that I prefer. I know it's silly but it is what it is.

Still, the desk top might be ideal. It gets rid of the 4 octave keyboard that I'm not really into. I can use one of my other synths as a controller.

Jermykeys, picking nits again!
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[Jan1]

There's a new clip demonstrating the DCO's.

According to Uli Behringer,
- All sounds are from the DeepMind12, except drums
- Dry sound with no processing
- No effects

The clip focuses on the saw and pulse wave for DCO 1 and the square wave for DCO2, but don't forget to pay attention to the accompanying sounds which are quite good.

In a message on GS Uli mentioned that one large retailer already placed an order for 30,000 units, a staggering number, and that he is renegotiating component prices because of the overwhelming demand.
It makes me believe that the price of this synth may be under $1000 since I would never order anything in the order of 30,000 units if the synthesizer had a hefty pricetag.

[Sharp]