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markn

Another strange behaviour occures in V2.11.
I'm using a combi consisting of 2 sounds which i play on Kronos on Midi-Global-Channel 1. All other slots are set to off an mute, except slot 15 which is set to EXT-Ch15, but muted. So this slot is supposed to send the selected Program change Number to my Moog, but nothing else.
But the Moog is also receiving the contollers, like Sustain Pedal, Pitch bend and Modulation, from the Kronos, which is pretty bad.
I'm sure that this was different in previous system versions.

So i'm asking myself: Bug or feature? Shocked

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SynthKeyWizard · Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:00 pm Post subject:

Try midi filter option. You can disable midi messages you don`t need.
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markn · Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:09 pm Post subject:

Thx for your answer SynthKeyWizard. This is a possible workaround, but it' not funny to do this for 53 Combis. Shocked

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ronnfigg · Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:55 pm Post subject:

NOT A BUG! This has been a feature since as far back as the Triton (as far as I know). This is what Global Channel is all about. Channel 1 is set up as the global channel, so it sends all MIDI messages to all channels. You could probably switch the Global Channel, but then you would probably have to change MIDI channels in Timbres in you Combis and other things. The MIDI filter is the best way to go. Then "write" the changes. And back up to a PCG file.
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ronnfigg · Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject:

If you build Combis from scratch, might be wise to make a 'template" that sets up your Timbre 15 channel and MIDI assignments for the Moog and write it. When you go to construct a Combi, select this template and build from there. I have one such Combi set up for my Hammond XK-1. I have all the MIDI filters saved as part of the Combi. I also have set the KeyZone set to C-1 for both the Top and Bottom Key, because I noticed that the Kronos would "steal" polyphony from the Hammond, even though I had that Timbre muted. This was how I used to Mute an Ext Timbre on my Triton, because the Triton didn't have a Mute button.
BTW - what Moog are you using?
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markn · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:41 am Post subject:

ronnfigg · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:10 am Post subject:

I just remembered something else. You should be using Ext2. Ext would be used if you're using another Kronos or something with a similar architecture like another Korg product. Ext2 is set up so that you can send bank select messages for non-Korg products. Are you saying that it worked differently with earlier OS versions? I know it was working this way (the way you are experiencing) in previous versions of the OS. And I take it you have the Voyager set to receive on MIDI channel 15? But due to CCs being sent on the Global Channel (Gch) the Voyager is going to receive and respond to these CCs. I do not think the Voyager has any filters for CCs.
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ronnfigg · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:58 am Post subject:

Read Combination mode- page 1110 of the OS 2.1.1Parameter Guide (PG). That should explain it. I believe it was this way in earlier versions of the OS. I just looked in OS 1.5 PG page 1117 and the exact same description is there-verbatim. So this is not something new.
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SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

Just switch your Moog to a different midi channel and change the channel the PC is being sent on.

ronnfigg · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:32 am Post subject:

Sander- I do this with my Hammond XK-1, but CCs are still transmitted by the Kronos and recieved by the XK-1. I still have to use the MIDI filters to disable things like the damper pedal, etc. An interesting fact- the CC that the ribbon controller sends activates a spring reverb crash in the XK-1 ala Keith Emerson! I usually filter that too!
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X-Trade · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:22 pm Post subject:

Yeah believe it or not those messages are actually useful to some of us.

Everything from mixer level and pan (sent on init along with prog change) to realtime performance controls are sent on an EXT or EXT2 timbre. handy for setting everything up right for a song or for controling modules or layering other synths within a Kronos combination.

Of course confusing if you're not expecting it..
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markn · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:30 pm Post subject:

ronnfigg · Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:25 am Post subject:

X-Trade · Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:58 am Post subject:

It was the same way with the Triton series too, by the way.
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