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BobTheDog Platinum Member
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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LivePsy wrote: | Thanks for this, it sounds like Korg fixed some flaws with the envelopes in the Ex version and its your call if that's an improvement. Even if every parameter acted exactly the same, you are sure to end up with a different track if you rework a project with the mini then the Ex.
I consider the MS-20mini one of the most desirable synths to date.
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I'm not sure about that at all, I think you can get them so close that only someone very obsessive could tell the difference and in a mix I don't believe anyone could tell.
Edit. Ok maybe the really really obsessive could tell in a mix. |
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LivePsy Senior Member
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 355
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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You said you have to dial in different knob settings to get the same envelope. That sounds like a totally reasonable difference, because you would be setting it by ear anyway. If the digital version is in the ballpark for MS-20 signature sound, then its a credible synth in its own right. The only real issue might be the sustain level over 5 making the filter sound different.
Quote: | I'm not sure about that at all, I think you can get them so close |
You might have misunderstood me. I always find that recreating a track with another synth, I end up with a completely different result. The difference in tweakability of real knobs versus screen and pointer is enough to send me in different directions and come up with a new creation.
In fact its something I must never do, taking an idea from one drum machine or synth to another just chucks the original musical idea out the window for me.
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BobTheDog Platinum Member
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Ah, I see what you are saying, sorry I misunderstood.
Most the knob settings between the mini and the Kronos are different, you have to do it by ear for everything really.
The actual envs themselves seem different though, the curves of the segments are slightly different is my guess. Also when I meant faster, for instance a full decay on the kronos takes 17 second while on the mini it is 31 seconds. |
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SeedyLee Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 1370 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:30 am Post subject: |
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So my local music store finally got a batch of these in stock, with one not pre-ordered and available for sale. I cam perilously close to buying one today.
But as fate would have it, they moved the demo unit next to a Kronos, which I also own. For the first time I had the opportunity to compare the real MS20 against the model in the Kronos. And was surprised at how close the Kronos was to be honest.
Based on that, I decoded to stick with the Kronos for the time being. Having a polytimbral synth patch storage is probably more practical. I just don't think I would have gotten good use out of the MS20.
I have however ordered a Tetra, which I hope will prove sufficiently sonically different to expand my pallet. _________________ Current Equipment:
Korg Kronos 2 88, Reface CS, Roland JV-1080, TE OP1, Moog Subsequent 37, Korg ARP Odyssey, Allen & Heath Zed 18, Adam F5, MOTU MIDI Express XT, Lexicon MX200 & MPX1, Yamaha QY700, Yamaha AW16G, Tascam DP008ex, Zoom H6, Organelle, Roland J6 & JU06A
Previous: Triton LE 61/Sampling/64MB/4GB SCSI, MS2000BR, Kronos 1 61, Monotribe, NanoKontrol, NanoKeys, Kaossilator II, Casio HT3000, Roland VP-03, Reface DX, Novation Mininova, MPC One |
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Bald Eagle Platinum Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2009 Posts: 2278 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:54 am Post subject: |
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I wonder how close the iMS20 app is to the Kronos and the hardware MS20. It would be nice if there was a comparison of all 3 together. |
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BobTheDog Platinum Member
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Bald Eagle wrote: | I wonder how close the iMS20 app is to the Kronos and the hardware MS20. It would be nice if there was a comparison of all 3 together. |
They are all pretty similar sounding to my age fuddled ears.
The mini is more fun to dial sounds into though, iMS20 has the lovely sequencer and the kronos version has much more functionality.
They are all good |
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SeedyLee Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 1370 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Bald Eagle wrote: | I wonder how close the iMS20 app is to the Kronos and the hardware MS20. It would be nice if there was a comparison of all 3 together. |
I can't imagine they'd be very different, I'm sure they probably share common algorithms. I'm guessing that the iMS20 may be the weakest of the set, in order to save CPU cycles, but this is just a guesz. it's equally possible they all share the exact same algorithms.
I was pleasantly surprised how well the MS20ex in the kronos stacked up against the real thing. _________________ Current Equipment:
Korg Kronos 2 88, Reface CS, Roland JV-1080, TE OP1, Moog Subsequent 37, Korg ARP Odyssey, Allen & Heath Zed 18, Adam F5, MOTU MIDI Express XT, Lexicon MX200 & MPX1, Yamaha QY700, Yamaha AW16G, Tascam DP008ex, Zoom H6, Organelle, Roland J6 & JU06A
Previous: Triton LE 61/Sampling/64MB/4GB SCSI, MS2000BR, Kronos 1 61, Monotribe, NanoKontrol, NanoKeys, Kaossilator II, Casio HT3000, Roland VP-03, Reface DX, Novation Mininova, MPC One |
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Huegel
Joined: 26 Aug 2013 Posts: 7 Location: Boston
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely worth the $600. It has the ability to produce warmth (contrary to what Moog users say), growl, nasally screeching insanity, bright, dark, weird, funky, simple and breath-taking sounds. The build is solid, despite a little play in some of the knobs, but nothing to get hung up on.
I gig with it, 2-3 times a week. It's small enough where it's easy to lug around, but feels sturdy on the stand. The keys are slightly smaller, but not annoyingly smaller, and the keybed feels great to the touch. The rest of the time it sits in my home studio being put to good use along side my 80's Korgs. I very much love it. _________________ Cheers,
g r e g o r y
g r e g o r y t h o m a s h ü g e l
http://huegel.co
Synths: DW-8000, EX-800, MS-20, M1, WaveStation, KingKORG, microKORG, M3, Volca Keys, Volca Beats |
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tpantano Platinum Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Posts: 1384
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Lamu wrote: | It has the ability to produce warmth (contrary to what Moog users say), |
I'd like to say something in regards to this as well as additional comments on this page-
Many are irritated by the noise that comes in when you turn down the lowpass-filter. I personally find it quite pleasing and very warming to the synth- It can add a very organic, 'reed'-like sax-y feel to your patch. If you don't want it, it doesn't really start coming in until you have the cutoff removing most audible frequencies anyways.
Perhaps it's an error in circuitry, but I find that it adds to the tone. _________________ Current: MS-20 Mini, Minilogue, SY77
Past: Korg R3, Volca Bass, X50, Mg Slim Phatty, Rld Gaia SH-01, Yamaha TX81Z
Have my freebie granular plug-in: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192886 |
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DrHoo Platinum Member
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 657 Location: North Wales, UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed. It can add some real body to an otherwise emptier patch, give it some growl.
I was playing with a noise a day ago that was a distorted acid patch & the noise was coming in just at the right time as the filter opened a bit. Wicked.
I threw a few patch cables in & fed more white noise from the generator into the mixer & it was even better again.
In my honest opinion. The whole 'people having issue with the noise' thing has been taken way out of proportion & context. It's been confused, twisted,over-imagined, over analyzed & it has also put off newcomers to this synth who don't realize that it is a positive element that the ms20 has. Without that noise, it just would not sound as characterful.
I've expressed the same point before in other words & only because i believe it to be correct. |
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SeedyLee Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 1370 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:44 am Post subject: |
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DrHoo wrote: |
In my honest opinion. The whole 'people having issue with the noise' thing has been taken way out of proportion & context. It's been confused, twisted,over-imagined, over analyzed & it has also put off newcomers to this synth who don't realize that it is a positive element that the ms20 has. Without that noise, it just would not sound as characterful.
I've expressed the same point before in other words & only because i believe it to be correct. |
Absolutely! If people don't want the noise and inconsistency , then they probably don't want analogue!
It's like getting back into vinyl then complaining about the cracks and pops. _________________ Current Equipment:
Korg Kronos 2 88, Reface CS, Roland JV-1080, TE OP1, Moog Subsequent 37, Korg ARP Odyssey, Allen & Heath Zed 18, Adam F5, MOTU MIDI Express XT, Lexicon MX200 & MPX1, Yamaha QY700, Yamaha AW16G, Tascam DP008ex, Zoom H6, Organelle, Roland J6 & JU06A
Previous: Triton LE 61/Sampling/64MB/4GB SCSI, MS2000BR, Kronos 1 61, Monotribe, NanoKontrol, NanoKeys, Kaossilator II, Casio HT3000, Roland VP-03, Reface DX, Novation Mininova, MPC One |
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Etamin
Joined: 08 Dec 2010 Posts: 3 Location: Music Room
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:03 am Post subject: |
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I got mine just over a week ago, and I am having a blast. It doesn't save presets, and you can't run multiple instances in your DAW, but it sounds great, and is so much fun to tweak. Also, has the external signal processor, although have only just started messing with that.
Another big plus for the hardware is if you have a modular. Greatly expands the options with the patch panel, running analog sequencer in, and LFOs, envelopes. |
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starscrm7
Joined: 27 Mar 2013 Posts: 7
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: ms 20 mini |
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ive had an MS 20 Mini since June and have had no issues for the most part. There is a bit of noise and the triangle wave form is hard to hear but other than that its been a blast. $599 is cheap for a true analog with this many knobs. Im definitely glad i purchased it. Bald Eagle if you have a slim phatty you should be content with that, that would have been one i would have bought as well. I wanted to support Korg in there decision to re-release a classic. If we could only get Roland to re-release a true analog Jupiter 8 or TB303 i would be ecstatic! |
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DrHoo Platinum Member
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 657 Location: North Wales, UK
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Is it really worth getting indeed !!!! This guy knows his onions, you don't hear people like this making a noise about noise !
http://youtu.be/n-_o-7zce4c _________________ My current Korg gear. MS20 Mini... & now the .... Oh, maybe not !
...Had a few other Korg things over the years. |
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Bald Eagle Platinum Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2009 Posts: 2278 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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DrHoo wrote: | Is it really worth getting indeed !!!! This guy knows his onions, you don't hear people like this making a noise about noise !
http://youtu.be/n-_o-7zce4c |
This video renews my interest in the MS20 |
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