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[spumoni]

Hello all:

I'm totally new to the Kronos, and love it so far - but I have a very basic question about sequencing.

From past experience with sequencing equipment, I would always make short 4 bar sequences, then arrange them to play in a certain order creating a song. Once that was done, I could lay tracks over the top of the arranged sequences.

Does the Kronos not work that way?

Thanks.
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[X-Trade]

There used to be a feature called 'cue-list' in other products to do this. However it is not in the OASYS or Kronos.

However, there is a much more powerful feature called RPPR that allows you to do this, amongst more complicated arrangement tasks. It works in a similar manner to Ableton's Live product.
There is an excellent video from Korg explaining it (although made for the M3, much of the information and instructions will also be relevant for the OASYS and Kronos), here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH6TqFbskDc
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[spumoni]

x-trade - Thanks! This clears things up a lot, but this simply assigns measures or notes to play by pressing an assigned key. I still can't program sequences to play in a certain order, correct?
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[Lou]

Maybe we're not understanding exactly what it is you are trying to do?
As X-Trade mentioned about RPPR, these patterns can be copied to any measure within a track. They are not just for playing on a key.

[X-Trade]

Also I alluded to this when I mentioned it was like Ableton...

basically one of the cool things you can do here is you should be able to hit record and then 'perform' your arrangement.

You can also use the menus to put or copy pattern to track.
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Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
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Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro

[rrricky rrrecordo]

Can you set a 4 measure loop in the Kronos' sequencer? If so, loop measures 1-4 and lay down your tracks... then loop measures 5-8 etc. Most hardware sequencers I've used allow this.

A pattern mode similar to that found in Yamaha sequencers would be a useful addition to Kronos' sequencer - it's quite similar to Logic's predecessor Creator - and would probably be easy to implement in an update. M3 received some cool updates to its sequencer, so perhaps Kronos will too.
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[spumoni]

Wow, thanks for all the responses - this really helps. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well enough.

Let's say I make a 4 bar sequence with a drum track, bass line and piano. Call that seq1

Then I'd like to copy that, change the drums slightly. Call it seq2.

Then I'd like to copy that, change the bass line slightly, call it seq3... etc.

Next I'd like to place then in order - 1, 1, 2, 1, 2, 2, 3, 1 etc... then of course add tracks over that whole arrangement. The totally number of bars would change depending on how many sequences I added.

Does that explain it better? Can RPPR do this?

Thanks again everyone.
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[rrricky rrrecordo]

Korg Cue List (or Yamaha pattern seq) sounds like what you need, or maybe record lots of RRPRs and fire them off in real time as the boys say. Cool feature.
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[Lou]

[Kontrol49]

[apex]

[X-Trade]

There's also nothing stopping you going back and dubbing different parts in, or arranging your RPPR patterns logically across the keyboard - for example an octave for bass, an octave for drums, etc. base pattern on the C, and variations successively more complex on the next 11 keys.

It only really gets messy when you want to use RPPR for live performance as it restricts the keys you can use. It's perfectly viable in the studio though

Setting up the chord triggers for different parts of the song is a good trick.

And again, there is always the option to 'put pattern to track', rather than assigning it to a key. . If you're working with variations on different sections then RPPR is a very powerful tool.
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Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro

[Kontrol49]

This is what I love about this forum....

Someone posts a Query,

a few people answer the Query with solutions,

Someone else posts an alternative method to those first solutions and it racks the minds of those others

So they dig a little deeper and challenge the motion

Its good that even when there are some ideas to get on with,it makes people think a little bit deeper each time and bring more and more to the table

I wish I had access to a forum like this whilst I was learning these machines in the early days,Like most others I had to figure out much of how to use these synths by getting my hands dirty

You kind of underestimate how much of a treasure trove of Info this forum is/becomes,I bet the "Tech support" guys at Korg love the workload this forum has taken off them,makes there job so much easier


The suggestion of using the pads to trigger several notes from RPPR assignments,I'll have to try that method,thanks...the only issue and what restricts myself from using this alternative methods for triggering sections/Arrangements is that your limited to 8 pads,and restricting if you like to work live.

I had mentioned in another thread a wishlist upgrade for the OS for the pads on the Oasys to use these notes triggers to also have "Banks" of pads Like the MPC,having 8 triggers is limiting if you have more than 8 sections in your arrangement,its a solution but you have to make compromises.

Nothing to stop you assigning the rest of the notes(RPPR) to other sections on the keyboard if this method works,there are workarounds but It not the way I prefer to work too much prep work to setup when there are easier workflows on other machine designed for that purpose and having to remember where everything is live could be a little tricky at times when you draw a blank

if its possible to do this on the pads as an upgrade then each Pad has a bank of 8 using a shift or function button to allow it to access banks too, giving you a matrix of 8x8 and access to 64 pad triggers(or more if they allowed it)I also suggested these pads could be used as a Roland TR or Korg Electribe way of inputting drum notes,these are a few things I'd like to see as improvements in the sequencer to be more refined,the pads could have been a window of opportunity for Korg to make loads of great functions for the Kronos/Oasys,especially as in the Kronos they have added a great feature with the smooth transitioning in Live sets anyone who understands or has used the Fantom G pad modes would see how much they could be useful with an upgrade in the Kronos for live use

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