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sparkie
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| panrixx wrote: | Once again, you're logic is flawed. No matter what age, or eye condition someone has, if they wear suitable corrective glasses then they should have no more problem reading the screen than a very much younger person who has no need for glasses.
Working on your logic, computers, iphones, ipads etc are 'for the young'. So Bill gates should give up using them now! |
Panrix, you take everything out of context trying to be cute...... Unlike an Iphone, Ipad, TV or Computer screen, that you read directly in front of you.... the Kronos screen doesnt face you...its on an angle (keyword here Panrix) from your normal line of vision!!.
Who knows, Maybe you enjoy watching TV sitting down with the screen lying flat on the floor? 
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mikesny
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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The solution is obvious: Korg needs to include a voice synthesizer to read the screen to us vision-challenged seniors!  |
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panrixx
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| sparkie wrote: | | Therefore.. Flash was correct in his observations.... that the Kronos is a keyboard for the 'young' - suggesting the 'old' may have problems reading the screen. |
| panrixx wrote: | | Once again, you're logic is flawed. No matter what age, or eye condition someone has, if they wear suitable corrective glasses then they should have no more problem reading the screen than a very much younger person who has no need for glasses. |
You seem to have conveniently overlooked the main point of my reply. Also, I see very few people holding their phones, tablets, etc., upto their face in order to have a straight line of sight.
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keyplayer14
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| sparkie wrote: |
Panrix, you take everything out of context trying to be cute...... Unlike an Iphone, Ipad, TV or Computer screen, that you read directly in front of you.... the Kronos screen doesnt face you...its on an angle (keyword here Panrix) from your normal line of vision!!.
Who knows, Maybe you enjoy watching TV sitting down with the screen lying flat on the floor?
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But the viewing angle on Kronos is actually pretty wide....selecting items is more of a problem when you're off axis, but nothing that you don't easily get the hang of with a little use.....oh yeah, you gave up......shame....
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michelkeijzers
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| mikesny wrote: | | The solution is obvious: Korg needs to include a voice synthesizer to read the screen to us vision-challenged seniors! |
Would it help if you can do all programming with the editor (which will be released before the end of the year?) and do the actual playing with a small screen?
I assume the patch names are in bigger format.
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sparkie
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| panrixx wrote: | | sparkie wrote: | | Therefore.. Flash was correct in his observations.... that the Kronos is a keyboard for the 'young' - suggesting the 'old' may have problems reading the screen. |
| panrixx wrote: | | Once again, you're logic is flawed. No matter what age, or eye condition someone has, if they wear suitable corrective glasses then they should have no more problem reading the screen than a very much younger person who has no need for glasses. |
You seem to have conveniently overlooked the main point of my reply. Also, I see very few people holding their phones, tablets, etc., upto their face in order to have a straight line of sight. |
Answer this, as the Kronos is a workstation.
A) So with the Kronos laying flat on a table "untilted", with you seated in front. Can you select tabs, menus, edit the screen comfortably and all the parameters.. "WITHOUT" leaning over, straining your back, neck or eyes? And do it for a few hours nonstop?
B) Is the Kronos screen harder to see than the M50, PA3x, Oasys, or M3? |
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michelkeijzers
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| sparkie wrote: | | panrixx wrote: | | sparkie wrote: | | Therefore.. Flash was correct in his observations.... that the Kronos is a keyboard for the 'young' - suggesting the 'old' may have problems reading the screen. |
| panrixx wrote: | | Once again, you're logic is flawed. No matter what age, or eye condition someone has, if they wear suitable corrective glasses then they should have no more problem reading the screen than a very much younger person who has no need for glasses. |
You seem to have conveniently overlooked the main point of my reply. Also, I see very few people holding their phones, tablets, etc., upto their face in order to have a straight line of sight. |
Answer this, as the Kronos is a workstation.
A) So with the Kronos laying flat on a table "untilted", with you seated in front. Can you select tabs, menus, edit the screen comfortably and all the parameters.. "WITHOUT" leaning over, straining your back, neck or eyes? And do it for a few hours nonstop?
B) Is the Kronos screen harder to see than the M50, PA3x, Oasys, or M3? |
I have played on a Kronos for about 1,5 hours, and did not notice too much difference ... it was a smaller font, but I did not notice myself of leaning forward (though might be necessary if eyes are less good; I wear contact lenses btw).
But on the other hand, how often do you edit menus etc for continuous times ... You go to another patch and start playing ... normally I don't look at the screen when I'm playing.
When editing, it's another story, but I assume the editor will make life easier (editing can be done on a computer with a big screen). So the problem will probably solve itself.
Only for those who have problems reading the patch names will keep the problem but even then you can lean forward for a sec and then start playing without looking at the screen.
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panrixx
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| sparkie wrote: |
Answer this, as the Kronos is a workstation.
A) So with the Kronos laying flat on a table "untilted", with you seated in front. Can you select tabs, menus, edit the screen comfortably and all the parameters.. "WITHOUT" leaning over, straining your back, neck or eyes? And do it for a few hours nonstop?
B) Is the Kronos screen harder to see than the M50, PA3x, Oasys, or M3? |
A) Yes, but I might be at a slight advantage as I'm 6' 3" tall. I know I'm sitting down but my height is not just due to my legs. My K88 is flat on a single teir stand and the seat is adjusted for playing comfort.
Also, in a two hour period I would hope to be playing for a large part of the time. Two hours of twiddling would get a bit boring (it's a musical instrument first and a computer interface second).
B) Irrelevant, as my answer to (A) is yes.
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Broadwave
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51 (and feeling every year of it), my reading glasses are +1.75 and I can see the screen very clearly... However, I have hands like shovels and find it frustrating poking at TINY buttons. I'm also very tall and the constant leaning over the screen knots my shoulders up 
An angled capacitive touch screen would have been a far better choice, but I'm learning to live with it.
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