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Ahmed Jaber · Joined: 10 Jan 2010 Posts: 30 Location: Sweden

Hi Forums
I have many fine and good sounds in my old Triton Extreme.
Now i will purches a Kronos,so can i load all my old extreme sounds to the Kronos.
Thanks
Regards Rolling Eyes

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Synthoid · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Triton in Kronos

michelkeijzers · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject:

Consider it as a good reason to find newer/better/different sounds.
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RonF · Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:40 am Post subject:

While it is not possible to "load" Triton sounds....it is most certainly possible to "re-create" your Triton sounds....and the resulting creations should exceed the Triton version in quality and depth. Not only the Kronos overall sound quality, but better/more effects, and plenty of new control and modulation options. All in all...I would view this as FUN.
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Sharp · Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject:

I have a friend who just purchased a KORG Pa3X. First thing he did with it was to load everything from his Pa1X into the Pa3X.
Now his new keyboard sounds almost the same as his old.

Regards
Sharp.

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Synthoid · Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Triton in Kronos

Ahmed Jaber · Joined: 10 Jan 2010 Posts: 30 Location: Sweden

Thanks for your answers.
But i don't mean the original Triton sounds that came with it from industry,but if i have a PCG files or moss sounds (loaded in usb),can i down load this pcg files that have a many good sounds to the Kronos?
Thanks again.

Jon Lord · Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject:

cynkh · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject:

This is all true: the PCG format is different for Kronos and Triton series keyboards and there are many differences between the HD-1 engine with its Karma, drum track and part/common sequences (which would most closely approximate a Triton program/combi) and a typical Triton program/combi with its dual arpeggiators.
It's not, however, outside the realm of possibility to move your Triton multisamples to the Kronos (since the sample format remains the same) and rebuild the programs/combis on the Kronos by replacing the Triton program arpeggiators with part/common sequences (not a truly compatible conversion but an approximation) and Karma parameters. I'm currently working on several such conversion utilities to automate the process between Triton and Kronos (including FX settings, etc.) as well as Wavestation and KLC engines (including WS, MS-20, PolySix and LegacyCell- Mono/Poly may have to wait a few). It's an ambitious undertaking but with much help from michelkeijzers on the forums and Stephen Kay's publication of the PCG format as well as much reversing of the various .fxb format of KLC'07 I'm making great strides.
If anyone would like to help "reverse-engineer" or "map" the various Kronos engines' PCG formats I can use a lot of help in this category. Feel free to PM or post a response to this effect.

So, in summary, right now- barring existing utilities I'm unaware of- it's necessary to manually re-create the Triton's programs and combis on the Kronos using built-in or transferred multisamples and approximating some parameters such as FX and arpeggiators; but, there is at least 1 utility in the works for automating the process.

Cheers and good luck!
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BasariStudios · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:37 pm Post subject:

Cynkh, what is a Part/Common? And also one things, dont mix KARMA with
HD-1 or Synth Engine, the 2 have nothing to do with each other and KARMA
would not affect the Synth engine in a manner of incopatibility, its a completelly
different thing then a Synthezis Engine.
As for Part/Common, i still havent seen that on the Kronos, what is it?
Program/Combi on Triton is EXACTLY the same on the Kronos, M3 or Trinity...
i mean the concept and names is exactly the same.
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cynkh · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject:

X-Trade · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:11 pm Post subject:

Actually on the triton the actual arpeggiator patterns are stored globally, and in a program or combi you only have basic control over which pattern to use, what it controls, and how it behaves to input.

You have a lot more control in KRONOS and other KARMA based systems on the individual program/combi level. You can think of a GE as your base pattern, or even as an 'arpeggiator type' which you then further program through the KARMA parameters in the program/combi.

But generally your overall description is more or less correct - there would be some work involved to emulate an arpeggiator pattern exactly. Depending on the complexity of the pattern. In most cases, the modulation sequencers wouldn't help either because the Triton's arps take full advantage of their polyphonic nature.

In answer to the original post here, you can not just load a Triton PCG into the KRONOS - or any other non-triton synth.
You have to appreciate that a PCG contains patches and combis which are literally just the settings you see on the edit pages that make up how the synthesizer performs and constructs the sound. As the two products employ vastly different sets of parameters, there isn't really any straightforward compatibility.

Sample data - e.g. KSF and KMP files - are however compatible. But the programs (which would be stored in a PCG) that use those samples would have to be rebuilt from the ground up.
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ronnfigg · Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:03 am Post subject:

HUBA · Joined: 10 May 2022 Posts: 21

As I made the silly mistake of assuming Korg couldn't possibly leave out the Triton sound set from their otherwise superior next generation workstation that I've recently acquired I've been contemplating getting a Triton rack to go with the Kronos just for the sound set, and so in an attempt to avoid making yet another silly mistake I got the idea to ask a couple of questions first:

1. Is it possible to rearrange patches/programs to my liking and delete or at least move programs that I have no desire to use into a far off place where I wont have to scroll past them in order to get to programs that I've determined useful?

2. Are dead lines in the display common/likely to occur with these? Is the display replaceable? Is it readable from an angle through contrast adjustments or would I have to face it in a straight angle in order to read it easily?

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