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Lorenzo · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: best synth for orchestra stuff?

I post here 3 samples of orchestra "crescendo" created with k2661, triton (without orchestra expansion) and motif es rack. Notice that the sounds are all presets of the 3 synth and that every file has 15 tracks on it, based on different playing section. I've add the same reverb to all so we can say that there is no tweak for each one.

K2661: http://www.dedicatedtotriton.net/music/crescendo.mp3
Triton: http://www.dedicatedtotriton.net/music/crescendo2.mp3
ES: http://www.dedicatedtotriton.net/music/crescendo3.mp3

regards, Lorenzo
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Lorenzo · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject:

I want to add that this test doesn't prove anything except that all three machine are capable of great orchestral emulation...
regards, Lorenzo
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silverdragonsound · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject:

Gargamel314 · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:29 am Post subject:

awwww the triton didnt fare very well in that -

I have to say - playing the same MIDI sequence in 3 different machines isnt an easy task to achieve the same results with. When i bought my Triton Extreme, I was converting dozens of 01/Wfd sequences to Triton format, I am still working on it! Velocity curves are different, multisamples from both units react so differently to the playing.

The triton is by far a superior synthesizer to the 01/W, but i've had to totally re-sequence a lot of my files to make them sound as good on the Triton as they did on the 01/W. My point is, how can you compare? It's hard to interchange sequences between synths.

Lorenzo · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:48 am Post subject:

infact it's not the same midi sequence... and I use different instruments too, I simply try to do all the best with each one (ie in the tirton I add an oboe solo sound that there isn't in the other two cos I think that triton oboe is good)
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jazlover · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject:

This is very subjective, but a cool post. I love being able to hear them side by side.

I believe that a Triton Extreme would have fared better than a Triton Classic. They are all very capable machines. I love my Motif electric pianos and electric guitars but I am not as big on their string sound. The KORG Oboe is nice.

Nice post, Lorenzo !
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Lorenzo · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject:

I would like to hear a M3, an Oasys and an XS... maybe a roland fantom and a triton extreme (or exb 06/07 exb) too
if anyone would spend 5 minutes to experiment with their own gear (maybe the same too but with different "orchstral pattern")... could be interesting in hearing differences..
regards, Lorenzo
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Sharp · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject:

My 2 Cents.....

It's not really possible to tell much from the short clips as there are no actual instruments being singled out in a manner that could give you any clue as to the true quality of the instruments being used.

So to be fair to all 3, I don't think this would really prove anything.

You would really need to hear individual sounds preforming in a demo or solo to give people a good idea of what each workstation sounds like.

For example, this is my EWQLSO sample library, and you can get a clear idea from this exactly how it sounds.

http://www.korgforums.com/misc/EWQLSO.mp3

Regards.
Sharp.
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Lorenzo · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject:

Hi James, I didn't tried to prove something with this test, but I notice that there are plenty of demo out there that aren't what people looking for. This is why
1 I didn't use a midi file cos every workstation would have played it in a different way due to dynamics etc etc...
2 I didn't play a single instruments per time cos I think that what is worth is the overwhole sound
3 I play a crescendo to try to prove the dynamics of each three (and this is quite an objective test at least for the instruments used)

then... I'm not a composer so I can't create such a track eheheh! at least not in 1 hour and if do it I surely won't use it for a demo purpouse!

regards, Lorenzo
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Sharp · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject:

Hi Lorenzo

There's nothing wrong with what you played, it's just not the right type of sound bite in my opinion to actually say that the 3 keyboards are capable of emulating an orchestra.

I'm probably not explaining myself right here ?.

Tell you what, leave it with me for a moment and I'll be back with a few notes on the OASYS. Nothing sequenced, just something simple to show you what I mean.

Catch ya later,
Sharp.

PS: What you started on that demo is also the start to a great tune. You should keep going on it.
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Lorenzo · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject:

XVampireX · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject:

Hi Sharp, may I ask what is playing in this demo of EWQLSO? Sounds like some film music (I'm trying to guess harry potter or something like it).

And it sounds ultra realistic!
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